Is this a Bernie Madoff story of the NRLworld?

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However i really do think the NRL have gone too far-making no points for the rest of this season just makes the comp a farce.

Agree entirely. Playing for no points for the rest of the year is BS.
 
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However i really do think the NRL have gone too far-making no points for the rest of this season just makes the comp a farce.And even just by judging from the small number of comments here will basically destroy public support of league in Victoria.

The Storm always found it hard to get any reporting in the Melbourne Press, even when winning Grand Finals. Now they'll be front page for all the wrong reasons, and will only receive negative reporting in the near future. Maybe if things get to hot, they could make the move to Brisbane as the "2nd" team, or the Sunshine Coast where I'm sure they would be well supported.
David Gallop really needs to rethink not just his actions, but the whole sorry Salary Cap format, it needs an increase to attract and retain the "Top players", not to lose them to AFL, or Union.

Cheers Dee
 
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I suggest that you need to take the blinkers off & consider the well established shortcomings of each of these other codes.( small sample, AFL- coaches apparently branding players as rapists, S14 players sent home from Sth Africa, AFA reasons for coach sackings & sanctions).
Never had blinkers on RB (I'm no horse - and no jokes from the peanut gallery :shock::lol::p) and well aware that each code has shortcomings. I just like NRL the least of all and this is another reason to keep it there.

drron said:
As was pointed out by the NRL the Storm's transgressions were done in a much more sophisticated way so harder to detect-ie only becauseof a whistyle blower.And were done after all clubs warned by the example of the Bulldogs so a much tougher penalty certainly indicated.
Thus the financial penalty should be greater - but as the real transgressors are the management, they should be the ones who are affected IMO. I still can't figure how stripping the players of the right to play for the cup works, now they have nothing for which to play (apart from personal and team pride and their salary).
 
Joke I just received from a friend in Auckland NZ (who is a Warriors supporter):

Q. What is the difference between Melbourne Storm and a tooth pick?
A. A tooth pick has two points!
 
Off-topic on an off-topic thread...

I do find it interesting that serfty decided to spawn this off-shoot TOTT using a one-liner from one of my posts...
 
I am an NRL supporter and believe that we all need to wait for the full story to come out before passing judgement on the harshness of the penalty.

This saga will take a while to unfold.

Whether the players knew or not, I hope they were declaring the payments in their Income tax Returns.

The ATO would take a very dim view if they weren’t.
 
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But if they have admitted the breaches and they knew about the penalties that could be imposed then thay have nobody to blame but themselves.

+1

They must have known that if you break the rules you face the consequences, no matter how harsh they may be

Josh:p
 
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Those who know me know that I am an AFL nut through and through, but in saying that, I cant help but feel that the NRL has taken a particular step with the actions imposed against the Melbourne Storm that seem to me to be a calculated offensive against NRL football in Victoria, the heartland of AFL.

This action is unjust for the offences committed by the management of the Melbourne Storm, the salary cap breaches per player averaged out over 5 years (based on 21 players) is a little over $17K per year, which when considered against the Bulldogs average of $95K versus the penalty received, there can be nothing but a conspiracy against the Storm regardless of how well it was hidden or not.

David Gallop has penalised the players, the fans and the sponsors for what should have been action taken against the club management with a view to fraud, but what he has succeeded in doing is the following:

1. Destroying the relationship between the club and its sponsors, who frankly wouldn't care 2 hoots about exposure of their product if the penalty had been against the club, but now (leads on to point 2)
2. The players have been through association been branded as cheats. The worst part of it is, the players are not cheats in the game, maybe they have accepted additional payment for playing their game, but they were not caught injecting performance enhancing drugs, they had not bribed umpires, they just played better than every other team in the comp. Now what sponsor wants to have their product splashed over a cheat?
3. The supporters of the Storm have been penalised through now watching their club play with no chance of winning even when they win.
4. The stripping of the previous grand final premierships is again a huge mistake on Gillops part, he is hurting the individual players rather than the management who made this error of judgement - stupid decision that again is addressed at hurting rugby league at grass roots level in Victoria
5. The combined decisions (this is David Gallop as well as the Storm) will now hurt my hip pocket due to a massive stadium build in Melbourne for rugby league and soccer matches and the combined commitment of repayment will not be met - so the state government will have to bail out which will be either an increase in tax on something, or the shrinkage of some other benefit in Victoria.

The NRL have shot from the hip and scored a bulls eye in their agenda to destroy NRL in Victoria with this calculated, premeditated move. I hope we never see advertising for a state of origin match in Melbourne again - yes, the ones that are played on the hallowed surfaces of the Docklands stadium, in down town AFL land and gross more in earnings than any other match on the NRL home and away series calendar. If David Gallop thinks that Victoria will forgive and forget, I think that that shot very much missed the mark

Mr!
 
I've read that Waldron allegedly said he did it (rorted the salary cap), because "everyone does it". Now I don't think the NRL really have the incentive to scrutinise all the other clubs to the nth degree because if they found that Waldron's allegation was true (and I have no idea if it is), they'd have no competition at all!
 
I hope we never see advertising for a state of origin match in Melbourne again - yes, the ones that are played on the hallowed surfaces of the Docklands stadium, in down town AFL land and gross more in earnings than any other match on the NRL home and away series calendar. If David Gallop thinks that Victoria will forgive and forget, I think that that shot very much missed the mark

Mr!

I was quite looking forward to another “neutral” game of Origin played in MEL, however it was already decided that Sydney would host 2 games this year anyway. Not sure why, considering they’ve lost 4 in a row, but it wasn’t coming back this year anyway.
 
Ok, here's the reference for other clubs salary cap breaches:

History of NRL Salary Cap breaches - NRL.com

The 2million for the Bulldogs was a 3 year figure with $1.5M+ in 2002 when they were sprung.

The NZ Warriors were docked 4 comp points for 2006 and fined $430,000 for being $0.7M over the cap in 2005.
 
I was quite looking forward to another “neutral” game of Origin played in MEL, however it was already decided that Sydney would host 2 games this year anyway. Not sure why, considering they’ve lost 4 in a row, but it wasn’t coming back this year anyway.

I now wonder if any Storm players can be picked for State of Origin games, ie Billy Slatter for Qld, and if they just 'give up' on playing good footy would they be selected ?

Cheers Dee
 
I now wonder if any Storm players can be picked for State of Origin games, ie Billy Slatter for Qld, and if they just 'give up' on playing good footy would they be selected ?

Cheers Dee

There was some mention of various issues with a number of players on both sides, but I didn’t catch all the details so don’t know why there’d be a problem.

If there is a problem with selections though, it’s not a fair contest for State of Origin and I’ll simply push league even further onto the back burner.
 
All I can say is "CHEATS"! :p

I feel sorry for some of the players but the management has rorted the system. It does not really matter about the severity of the penalty but it is clear that they had no respect for the current rules in place and exploited them knowing they could be caught.

And I am almost certain that some players knew they were getting under the table payments....
 
Taking this stupid no points scenario to the extreme it is now possible (potentially) for the Storm to control who ends up where at the top of the table!
 
I never expected anything less from you
Why?

Have I been reading different stories or watching the wrong news reports? Calling it anything else is just sugar coating it and the players knew exactly what was going on.
 
Why?

Have I been reading different stories or watching the wrong news reports? Calling it anything else is just sugar coating it and the players knew exactly what was going on.

At this stage five people have been alleged to have 'had knowledge', and none of them was a player.

It is quite possible none of the payers paid outside the cap (well, the team as a whole was over the cap, I mean the players who received payments that were recorded in the 'other' set of books and not disclosed to the NRL) knew this was happening, because as far as I know it's like most other workplaces where while you might have a ballpark figure idea of what a fellow employee is paid, you do not know the exact amount, and it is treated confidentially.

So the players are presumably not privy to the figures being presented to the NRL, at least not at a level where it can be broken down to individuals.

Disclosure (or non-disclosure) on individual tax returns is another thing altogether, and does not presume knowledge of salary-cap rorting.

I'm sure more will come out in the wash, and *some* players may indeed be able to be called "cheats" because of what they knew and were complicit in, but certainly not at this stage, and I would be very surprised if it wasn't restricted to just a few players, if any at all.
 
Why?

Have I been reading different stories or watching the wrong news reports? Calling it anything else is just sugar coating it and the players knew exactly what was going on.

NO, you have been reading the same and hearing the same, however, you are putting a one eyed spin and opinion on something that is very contentious.

As was reported on FOX last night, the players were given contracts to sign by management, they were not privy to others contracts and when you are talking small numbers (10-20K) over the years, very unlikely to have known that they personally were breaching salary cap. Also, Israel what ever his name is plus a couple of others, released from the M-S due to salary cap - is this a club knowingly breaching the cap? The management are FRAUDS, but never call the players CHEATS - it is wrong, you know it and so does it seems most of the media who are trying their hardest not to use the word cheat - mind you, news ltd is not so refrained.
 
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