Its Going to fall over

[cookie349]

Recently on my return trip from Canberra to Melbourne I learnt a lot. The plane landed and all arose and retrieved our carry on.

The nice lady blocked the alley way to let the Business class people off first. This having been completed she moved forward toward the front door and then blocked our exit, two steps away from the entrance. After about a minute I asked politely why we cound'nt disembark.

I was told in no uncertain manner that the stairs at the back were not ready and if we alighted there was a risk the plane could tilt. I asked why it hadn't tilted when the business class passengers got off.

I received the not so polite, you have to be patient SIR. I said I was happy to be patient but was still interested to know why I couldn't move the two steps to get off.

I was then tersely told that now the safety ropes were not secure on the tarmac. I pointed out that we at the front were not going on the tarmac, but out the front door, that was still only two steps away and why was this not an issue for the Business class passengers. YOU HAVE TO BE PATIENT SIR.

Now I am a platinum flyer and am very patient till someone is giving me bull dust. I backed off as I feared I was in line for being tasered. Rude attendant and nonsense procedure.

Wake up Virgin starting to feel like AA.

 

[travelislife]

She is actually 100% correct, so not sure what the issue is, she was telling you the truth what more do you want?

 

[oz_mark]

If too mamy people leave from the front while the people at the back wait.for the stairs, there is indeed a risk of the tail headimg toward the ground.

 

[Steady]

If too mamy people leave from the front while the people at the back wait.for the stairs, there is indeed a risk of the tail headimg toward the ground.

Are seasaws still installed in playgrounds, or have they been deemed too dangerous?

 

[Cruiser Elite]

Regardless of plane loading / tipping / seesawing - whatever happened to that concept of obeying crew directions? Where is that thread 'You know you are getting old when' ...........

 

[Aussie_flyer]

So what did you learn then op? You said you learnt a lot but I don't see any evidence of that.

 

[straitman]

Recently on my return trip from Canberra to Melbourne I learnt a lot. The plane landed and all arose and retrieved our carry on. The nice lady blocked the alley way to let the Business class people off first. This having been completed she moved forward toward the front door and then blocked our exit, two steps away from the entrance. After about a minute I asked politely why we cound'nt disembark. I was told in no uncertain manner that the stairs at the back were not ready and if we alighted there was a risk the plane could tilt. I asked why it hadn't tilted when the business class passengers got off. I received the not so polite, you have to be patient SIR. I said I was happy to be patient but was still interested to know why I couldn't move the two steps to get off. I was then tersely told that now the safety ropes were not secure on the tarmac. I pointed out that we at the front were not going on the tarmac, but out the front door, that was still only two steps away and why was this not an issue for the Business class passengers. YOU HAVE TO BE PATIENT SIR. Now I am a platinum flyer and am very patient till someone is giving me bull dust. I backed off as I feared I was in line for being tasered. Rude attendant and nonsense procedure. Wake up Virgin starting to feel like AA.

This has been covered here many times and is hidden somewhere in the ask the pilot thread.

You are wrong and the FA was simply doing her job. Most likely she was tired at the end of the flight and then was getting frustrated when you wouldn't accept what is actually the correct answer. She most likely has no real idea of the mechanics of why it happens just that it can happen.

 

[Denali]

I think this is a matter of you ask, she answered, you didnt like the answer so pushed, she pushed back.

Sometimes youve just got to let it go and take a breath. Im finally learning this.

 

[yohy?!]

"let it goooo / let it goooo / let it gooo"

 

[Austman]

Well, I think I have learned something!

I wouldn't have thought a B737/B717/A320 would be that weight sensitive.

Especially as often only the forward door is used.

Was it another aircraft type?

 

[RooFlyer]

Welcome to AFF cookie349. As a DYKWIA type, you'll fit right in here as well as learning a bunch of things.

 

[basso]

I think this is a matter of you ask, she answered, you didnt like the answer so pushed, she pushed back.

Increasingly common theme in the "[Insert Staff Member] was rude" threads.....

 

[CPMaverick]

Sounds like she told you the truth about the plane imbalance.

Then OP became imbalanced. Then the FA became imbalanced.

FA is probably OK now, but unfortunately the OP imbalance continues...

 

[Austman]

So how does it all work in situations where only the forward air-bridge (the OP implied there was one) is used?

Is it aircraft dependent? Cargo dependent? Is it a generic type of rule?

 

[AisleSeat]

So how does it all work in situations where only the forward air-bridge (the OP implied there was one) is used?

Is it aircraft dependent? Cargo dependent? Is it a generic type of rule?

I'd hazard a guess that the nose wheel helps a lot?

Actually, that doesn't make sense either. Seeing as people at the front would exit, there'd still be people in the back.

 

[CPMaverick]

So how does it all work in situations where only the forward air-bridge (the OP implied there was one) is used?

Is it aircraft dependent? Cargo dependent? Is it a generic type of rule?

If you only use the forward bridge, all thr weight has to move forward before deboarding. So it always keeps weight on the front wheel.

The problem is when weight is leaving out the back and there is not enough weight in the front.

I believe this applies most to RJ aircraft and smaller due to the relative weight of the passengers and plane. But in theory any passenger plane can be problematic as they don't have rear support.

 

[737NG]

If stairs are positioned at the rear of the aircraft and more that a few passengers disembark from the forward door only, the rear door will make contact with the stairs.

 

[Austman]

If stairs are positioned at the rear of the aircraft and more that a few passengers disembark from the forward door only, the rear door will make contact with the stairs.

I see! So it's only really a balance issue if a decision is made to also use the rear stairs!

Otherwise it's probably not an issue.

Thank you for explaining that!

 

[Icy]

I can definitely see the potential issue. Those disembarking from the rear move towards the rear and wait. Those disembarking from the front move towards the front and wait. If they suddenly let all of the front pax off while the rear disembarking pax are still waiting, then a massive imbalance could occur. The small number of business pax they let off would not make a difference.

As noted previously the front wheel would stop the opposite from occurring.

 

[williamsf1]

Increasingly common theme in the "[Insert Staff Member] was rude" threads.....

I would say 80% of complaints would be around this ........