Jeju Air Flight 2216 Crashes in South Korea

[kpc]

Will be interesting to see where those two survivors sat, I assume the rear.

"Two survivors, one passenger and one crew member, were pulled from the tail section and are receiving treatment at a nearby hospital."

 

[Harrison_133]

Will be interesting to see where those two survivors sat, I assume the rear. The tail area is somewhat still intact, the doors seems still closed however, is a hole underneath though.

The flight attendant who survived was seated at the rear of the aircraft:

Lee, who was seated at the back of the plane, recalled the moment the aircraft touched down but remembers nothing beyond that. When he arrived at the hospital, still in shock, he reportedly asked, "What happened?"

Source: Yonhap News

 

[Quickstatus]

The MWX runway length was 9100 feet - longer than 2 of the 3 runways at SYD.

 

[moa999]

why was the ADS-B tracking lost during the approach?

Reports and a brief video of engine surge, possible birdstrike on northbound approach to Runway 1 which was the main in use runway. After that point ADS-B tracking seemingly lost.

Aircraft then crashed southbound on Runway 19 into a slight headwind some nine minutes later (edit per below possibly 45 minutes later)

So seemingly an aborted approach, and then controlled 180 turn, then the incident. From the video, aircraft landed very long with no gear, possibly only one engine with reverse thrusters and flaps looking normal (all still very much amateur guesswork analysis)

 

[moa999]

This was posted on airliners.net which might provide some more context.

 

[Saab34]

I read that as an opinion piece not a fact piece. The second last paragraph just reiterates it’s all just baloney.

Fire from the Right engine spreading into the aircraft? I mean, looks all ok on video.

 

[AviatorInsight]

I am really left scratching my head at this one already as to why so many redundant systems have appeared to have "failed".

This whole thing about the hydraulic system. Firstly, if the right engine is out, you have lost the engine driven hydraulic pump on system B only. This is enough for the electric motor to operate the flaps all by itself. But that's ok, let's say you're having a bad day and the electric motor also got wiped out.

The standby system would drive the leading edge flaps and the trailing edge would be electrically operated out from a different electric pump.

The landing gear can still be put down by the hydraulic system A pumps (either one). Then there is the alternate landing gear extension which when pulled, releases the uplock and the gear free falls into the locked position.

Of course, I haven't even counted for the APU which should be turned on if it's available (that is, not broken), and the APU will then provide electrical power to the remaining system and everything will work as per normal.

Will be interesting to see what the investigation brings out.

Edit: There is no fuel dumping equipment on a 737.

 

[Saab34]

Then there is the alternate landing gear extension which when pulled, releases the uplock and the gear free falls into the locked position.

How long does that take to drop and lock if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[Chicken]

I read that as an opinion piece not a fact piece. The second last paragraph just reiterates it’s all just baloney.

Fire from the Right engine spreading into the aircraft? I mean, looks all ok on video.

Latest update from Hankook Ilbo (Korea Daily newspapers), the 4th largest paper by circulation

the plane was scheduled to land at Muan Airport at 8:30 a.m. on the day. However, while approaching the airport lowering the altitude for landing, a flock of birds collided with the right wing and engine from 200 meters above the ground.

The plane gave up landing and raised its base. It seems that the plane judged that landing was difficult. The control tower at Muan Airport was informed of this by the captain. After communicating with the control tower that he would attempt a second landing, the captain circled over the airport, but in the meantime, the engine caught fire. "Despite the length of the runway, smoke and toxic gases were introduced into the aircraft, and we made an emergency landing without taking measures such as fuel discharge," a source familiar with the communication said. "It seems that the electronics and hydraulic systems were not working due to deterioration of the engine system, and as a result, the landing gear did not come down."

The control tower put a fire brigade on standby near the runway in case of emergency. "If we had known about the landing gear failure earlier, we could have let them throw away all the fuel (remaining gas), increased the coefficient of friction and applied a material to cool the flames on the runway," an airport source said. "But it was urgent."

The landing angle was good at the time of the second landing attempt, and the captain switched to manual control. "After getting off the runway, we had no choice but to rely on the reverse propulsion of the wing (engine) for deceleration," an airport source said. "We collided with the outer wall at the end of the runway because it was impossible to steer."

A KakaoTalk message from a passenger on the plane indicating a bird collision was also confirmed right before landing. According to the message, a passenger said to an acquaintance, "The bird is stuck in the wings and cannot land."

 

[AviatorInsight]

How long does that take to drop and lock if you don’t mind me asking?

Only a couple of seconds. It’s forced by gravity.

 

[markis10]

The RFFS were not in position from my POV with what I have seen of the videos. Given the missed approach I would have hit the crash button and had teams at both ends of the runway before the second approach. Those trucks should be rolling within 60 seconds.

I would take a lot of the press reports with a grain of salt, too much doesn’t make sense.

 

[Quickstatus]

We collided with the outer wall at the end of the runway because it was impossible to steer."

Lost in translation... but the "we" implies the pilots speaking in the past tense but that is obviously impossible...

 

[markis10]

The ATC tapes will be interesting, I don’t think they were intending on landing on that runway and events got out of hand.

 

[DC3]

23 casualties which is amazing …

Who comes up with these numbers?

 

[Chicken]

Lost in translation... but the "we" implies the pilots speaking in the past tense but that is obviously impossible...

No, it is not.

Korean is heavily based on Chinese, and this is how Chinese, including Cantonese in Hong Kong, would be used during media press conferences.

If you watch a press conference in Hong Kong, which would be the Chinese usage closest to English, you would see something like:

A hospital administrator / spokesperson saying: 'A health care professional connected the hose to an incorrect gas cylinder, hence we resulted in the patient given the incorrect gas'

I would suggest that it's not wise to be a gramma naz_, especially if it's a foreign language.

Who comes up with these numbers?

This was the confirmed number, at the very beginning. It's like the journalist saying "Death toll is expected to rise", which actually means "Too many bodies and body parts to even count".

 

[elanshin]

Right now I believe they are now presuming 179 deceased and 2 survivors (the 2 they found and saved) - 1 cabin crew and 1 pax.

This will likely be a while before we get to the bottom of this, but there's likely too many factors gone wrong to be purely all mechanical. I guess we'll get more of a picture if and when the coughpit voice recorder can be analysed.

Overall this has been a sad aviation year. We have to remember the year started with the JL A359 crashing into the dash-8 as well.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Almost like the pilots rushed it to get the plane on the ground.
Sad for all the passengers and crew on the plane and their families.
Like the analogy with the Swiss cheese model.

 

[Chicken]

This will likely be a while before we get to the bottom of this, but there's likely too many factors gone wrong to be purely all mechanical.

This. Even the media is starting to point out a lot of strange points during this event. We just have to wait.

Almost like the pilots rushed it to get the plane on the ground.

This is exactly what's being reported, that smoke was filling the plane so that pilot didn't wait.

 

[Quickstatus]

I would suggest that it's not wise to be a gramma naz_, especially if it's a foreign language.

As I said: "lost in translation". But more importantly, how did the media know what the pilots were doing?

 

[jb747]

More than any other accident that I can think of, this has got the masses at pprune scratching their collective heads.