Jeju Air Flight 2216 Crashes in South Korea

This is a Lot airlines 767 non landing gear successful landing. I dont think we can read anything into the attitude of the aircraft - until the crash report has been released.
Thanks for this - I was wondering if it was even feasible to belly land a larger aircraft succesfully - the Jeju barely seemed to slow down once on the ground and I wondered if in this situation a water landing or even on the airport "lawn" was a safer option without landing gear.
 
Why go around after a bird strike. Why not just continue landing?
Yes, good question. But, we don’t know if they went around before the strike or after.

CRM is a process that has, in many ways, made flying safer. But in some ways too, it has become a bit of a “talk-fest”, with some protagonists thinking it makes the coughpit democratic. Quite simply there are times in flying when you need decisions quickly, and those are the times the Captain just “does” and talks about it later.

Even after a bad strike, the engines are much more likely to be stable at a low power setting.
Thanks for this - I was wondering if it was even feasible to belly land a larger aircraft succesfully - the Jeju barely seemed to slow down once on the ground and I wondered if in this situation a water landing or even on the airport "lawn" was a safer option without landing gear.
There aren’t many examples of large passenger aircraft doing gear up landings. Apart from this, there’s only two that I can think of, a DHL 757 and the LOT 767. In both cases they had flap, and so were much slower. But they also used up a lot of runway. Far more than you’d expect. And this aircraft was much, much faster….

There’s what looks like farmland and water nearby, and it’s fair to say that they might have been better off going for one of those. They could hardly have been worse off. The speed is a real issue, but they may have been able to get rid of more of it (before touchdown) if landing on something that wasn’t length constrained. Personally I think the water would have been a better choice, but even then you’re looking to save some lives. I don’t know that a repeat of the Hudson was ever on the cards (in that case the aircraft went in quite slowly, at alpha max and with some flap).
 
The investigation just became very difficult.

BREAKING NEWS: Transport Ministry says both CVR and FDR stopped recording 4 minutes before the crash.


From reports on airliners.net at the time the plane was ordered standalone backup batteries for the CVR and FDR were only an option, and not mandated by any regulation.

Indeed
Regulations changed in 2010, a year after this (aircraft) was built, to require 10 minute battery for CVR.

Also possibly explains why ADS-B dropped out, and communication with the tower was reportedly difficult.
 
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The plot thickens…. News of black box not recording the last 4 minutes
I am no airplane expert, but this is the first time I heard of a retrieved black box from a major incident that did not record the most important minutes of the fatal crash (this is not the same as unretrievable data due to damage which is specifically NOT what the announcement was saying)
We may never know what happened in that coughpit even if the FA contributed their recollections

Edit: looks like we all got that news about the same time.. and I didn’t realise moa999 had already posted before mine with my one finger typing and editing!
 
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