Jetstar applies for additional Indonesia capacity: proposes CNS-MEL-DPS / ADL-PER-DPS

[Mattg]

It's defintiely weight restricted, the question is, is it weight restricted enough to make the route unviable.

I don't think so. Considering they have flown it previously, I think that's correct.

Has VA actually flown OOL-PER previously? I know they announced it, but I think they cancelled it before the first flight took off (after discovering how weight restricted it would need to be)...

 

[justinbrett]

Has VA actually flown OOL-PER previously? I know they announced it, but I think they cancelled it before the first flight took off (after discovering how weight restricted it would need to be)...

Yep - it was a seasonal route, last flown just before Covid in 2020. The last flight is still on flightaware:

VA1776 (VOZ1776) Virgin Australia Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware

Track Virgin Australia (VA) #1776 flight from Gold Coast to Perth Int'l

www.flightaware.com

PERTH to GOLD COAST: Virgin Australia expands domestic network over Christmas – Karryon

Virgin Australia continues to build on its domestic presence with new plans to launch its first non-stop service between Perth and summer holiday destination, Gold Coast. The new Virgin Australia […]

karryon.com.au

I think you're overstating the weight issue. VA operate other routes with more restrictions than this would have.

 

[ThatMrBlake]

I think you're overstating the weight issue. VA operate other routes with more restrictions than this would have.

OOL-PER is basically the same as BNE-PER which operates with minimal if any restrictions.

 

[justinbrett]

OOL-PER is basically the same as BNE-PER which operates with minimal if any restrictions.

BNE's runway is 3500FT longer though.

 

[ThatMrBlake]

BNE's runway is 3500FT longer though.

Used to do the Jetstar OOL-PER run on the a320 pretty regularly, didn’t notice any noticeable signs of weight restrictions (eg blocked seats). Noted it’s a different plane but largely comparable.

 

[justinbrett]

Used to do the Jetstar OOL-PER run on the a320 pretty regularly, didn’t notice any noticeable signs of weight restrictions (eg blocked seats). Noted it’s a different plane but largely comparable.

As above it's a minor weight limit if all the factors line up. And obviously they're not that bad if they can fly OOL-DPS.

A320 performance is quite a bit different, and often preferable to 737s.

 

[AIRwin]

Looks like QZ is launching flights between CNS and DPS:

Indonesia AirAsia Plans Cairns / Brunei August 2024 Launch — AeroRoutes

Published at 1710GMT 02JUN24 Indonesia AirAsia in August 2024 plans to add 2 international routes, including service to Cairns, as well as Bandar Seri Begawan in Brunei. Planned operational schedule as follows. Denpasar – Cairns eff 14AUG24 3 weekly A320 QZ542 DPS2330 – 0610+1CNS 320 357 QZ54

www.aeroroutes.com

 

[Saab34]

I am surprised it’s taken this long. I would have thought that they would have introduced Neo flights DPS-East Coast also. Understand the heavy capacity from all players, but they are a strong low cost carrier, certainly would have the lowest cost base with its A321N vs it’s prior attempt at the 330.

 

[HS-TQE]

Indonesian carriers are traditionally weaker on the AU POS when compared with their Australian counterparts. However QZ does buck the trend on their PER-DPS services, so it's good to see them having a go elsewhere again after their failed SYD/MEL attempts on the A330 (through the short lived Indonesia AirAsiaX) years ago.

 

[yachty]

Posted in the VA thread too, but for what it's worth the IASC has issued a draft determination awarding the capacity to QF/JQ.

Indonesia - 20 November 2023

The International Air Services Commission (the Commission) has received an application

www.iasc.gov.au

 

[HS-TQE]

Posted in the VA thread too, but for what it's worth the IASC has issued a draft determination awarding the capacity to QF/JQ.

Indonesia - 20 November 2023

The International Air Services Commission (the Commission) has received an application

www.iasc.gov.au

As said in the VA thread, VA dropped the ball on this one. Unless if VA (or any of their supporters on the submissions) write up a good case to oppose the draft decision, I'd assume this 'Regional via Big 4' Indonesia capacity will be ratified to go to the JQ/QF group.

 

[jase05]

As said in the VA thread, VA dropped the ball on this one. Unless if VA (or any of their supporters on the submissions) write up a good case to oppose the draft decision, I'd assume this 'Regional via Big 4' Indonesia capacity will be ratified to go to the JQ/QF group.

And fair enough too if VA dropped the ball.

 

[Harrison_133]

Jetstar have applied for an allocation of 1624 seats and 7 frequencies per week beyond Denpasar to Singapore from 1 March 2025.

This comes out of the seat capacity allocation which permits up to 6640 weekly seats from certain ports in Indonesia to beyond points in Singapore, Malaysia or Thailand.

The services will operate as an extension of existing Melbourne to Denpasar services, meaning those seats will be freed up for use elsewhere by the Qantas Group.

Schedule:
JQ43 Daily MEL 0915 DPS 1325 32Q
JQ43 Daily DPS 1505 SIN 1745 32Q
JQ36 Daily SIN 1910 DPS 2150 32Q
JQ36 Daily DPS 2310 MEL 0645 32Q

Jetstar previously operated Perth-Denpasar-Singapore services under a similar arrangement.

Source: https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defau...01-qf-letter-to-the-iasc-indonesia.pdf#page46

 

[henrus]

Jetstar previously operated Perth-Denpasar-Singapore services under a similar arrangement.

I was going to say, this isn’t a surprise and seems to be a return of the precovid setup.

 

[Saab34]

The services will operate as an extension of existing Melbourne to Denpasar services, meaning those seats will be freed up for use elsewhere by the Qantas Group.

So does that mean that gives them a further 7 frequencies on the Australia to Bali route?