Jetstar Perth taser incident

[MEL_Traveller]

From the beginning the Taser guy has said he swapped seats with another man. Surely if it was an amicable swap and the other guy saw what happened wouldn’t he have come forward and backed up the story of the swap.
Sorry I really think he just sat in a seat that had already been allocated to someone else and they didn’t like it. Hence the questioning by the FA. And once the FA has confirmed what the passenger had to do he is committing an offence if he refuses.

Re the last sentence… if you were the passenger, I guess that’s what you’d be getting your lawyer to have a look at.

 

[RooFlyer]

So apparently you can already get asked for ID

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/police-given-id-check-powers-at-airports/news-story/2e7f68be4e7731223f033bd1f9323d26

You can get asked for ID - by the police when acting suspiciously#; the story was not about having to present ID to board/check-in, which was the context of the discussion.

# I'm surprised they didn't apparently have the power before this story, 2018; maybe it was a Federal property thing.

 

[justinbrett]

You can get asked for ID - by the police when acting suspiciously#; the story was not about having to present ID to board/check-in, which was the context of the discussion.

# I'm surprised they didn't apparently have the power before this story, 2018; maybe it was a Federal property thing.

But I’m sure with todays technology they can use CCTV to identify known people who shouldn’t be flying (such as Taserguy) and if they tried to fly under a false name they could be asked for ID and prevented from travelling, if not arrested.

 

[RooFlyer]

But I’m sure with todays technology they can use CCTV to identify known people who shouldn’t be flying (such as Taserguy) and if they tried to fly under a false name they could be asked for ID and prevented from travelling, if not arrested.

In general, I'd be happy for rigorous ID of flying pax to occur. As you've said, it used to happen.

Personally, I'm not that wild about use of face ID outside of essential government uses (such as covert screening, entry to high security places etc) and dead against its use by private organisations. Not so much that they ID me biometrically, but to do so, they somehow have access to a biometric database, which could only be government, I think.

If Bunnings (who have been caught using face recognition) says - a condition of entry is that we use face ID and for that, you'll have to sit in front of one of our cameras and show your passport the first time so we can register you, then I could choose whether or not to shop at Bunnings and if so, let them do that. But if they covertly snap my image while I use a credit card, and therefore link my image to my name (or at least the CC name) to my image, then that's a no from me. If somehow they buy into a third party database of biometrics and work off that - that's also a no, the same as trade in phone numbers is a no from me (and resisted).

I commented before that use of face ID as a boarding tool by airlines wasn't liked by me, although in that case, it was a little more appropriate, being a high security operation and, in the USA, the CBP seems to be running the show.

 

[justinbrett]

In general, I'd be happy for rigorous ID of flying pax to occur. As you've said, it used to happen.

Personally, I'm not that wild about use of face ID outside of essential government uses (such as covert screening, entry to high security places etc) and dead against its use by private organisations. Not so much that they ID me biometrically, but to do so, they somehow have access to a biometric database, which could only be government, I think.

If Bunnings (who have been caught using face recognition) says - a condition of entry is that we use face ID and for that, you'll have to sit in front of one of our cameras and show your passport the first time so we can register you, then I could choose whether or not to shop at Bunnings and if so, let them do that. But if they covertly snap my image while I use a credit card, and therefore link my image to my name (or at least the CC name) to my image, then that's a no from me. If somehow they buy into a third party database of biometrics and work off that - that's also a no, the same as trade in phone numbers is a no from me (and resisted).

I commented before that use of face ID as a boarding tool by airlines wasn't liked by me, although in that case, it was a little more appropriate, being a high security operation and, in the USA, the CBP seems to be running the show.

I don't disagree with you, but I start from the premise using CCTV to ID people is already happening (it is) and its use by police is not in question (commercial use is quite another matter). Also police can identify you without your physical licence (with their tablet thingys)

Given I don't think that will ever change, then they may as well use it in cases like this.

 

[JohnK]

Good to see JQ crew throwing their weight around. It must be company policy to make JQ cabin crew feel better?

A passenger has made an agreement to swap seats and the crew escalated this to the point where AFP called and a family didn't get to their destination. Please take a bow JQ cabin crew. You've averted a potential mid air disaster.

P.S. I've lost count of the number of times I've not sat in my allocated seat for take off or landing. Some sanctioned by crew. Some not. It's done often (almost every flight) but please don't try it with half brained crew who seek attention and want to it make like they are in charge.

 

[justinbrett]

Good to see JQ crew throwing their weight around. It must be company policy to make JQ cabin crew feel better?

A passenger has made an agreement to swap seats and the crew escalated this to the point where AFP called and a family didn't get to their destination. Please take a bow JQ cabin crew. You've averted a potential mid air disaster.

P.S. I've lost count of the number of times I've not sat in my allocated seat for take off or landing. Some sanctioned by crew. Some not. It's done often (almost every flight) but please don't try it with half brained crew who seek attention and want to it make like they are in charge.

As above, most of us are sceptical there was an agreement. Like you say people swap seats all the time, the crew wouldn't even know.

Don't believe everything you read in the media - a bit of scepticism goes a long way.

 

[RooFlyer]

Good to see JQ crew throwing their weight around. It must be company policy to make JQ cabin crew feel better?

A passenger has made an agreement to swap seats and the crew escalated this to the point where AFP called and a family didn't get to their destination. Please take a bow JQ cabin crew. You've averted a potential mid air disaster.

P.S. I've lost count of the number of times I've not sat in my allocated seat for take off or landing. Some sanctioned by crew. Some not. It's done often (almost every flight) but please don't try it with half brained crew who seek attention and want to it make like they are in charge.

As others have patiently pointed out. The incident was not about seats. It was about not complying with crew members' requests/directives and then same with police.

And, just between us, the crew ARE in charge on an aircraft.

 

[RealtimeY]

Melbourne man fined after being Tasered three times on Perth flight

Details emerge

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Melbourne man fined after being Tasered three times on Perth flight

Details emerge

Just thought I'd provide a non-paywalled version of the story from:

Man Tasered on Jetstar flight fined

www.9news.com.au

To summarize, the perpetrator's wife and children asked JQ to reseat them since they didn't feel safe around a heavily intoxicated partner. JQ complied, but the perp was triggered by the request and when AFP was called on board started fighting with them and going after their taser. Only after being tasered 3 times did he stop.

Malou was fined $1500 and ordered to pay $264.30 in costs on the disorderly conduct charge. He was ordered to remain in custody in Perth until the fine is paid.
He has also been sentenced to a 12-month Commonwealth Conditional Release Order with an associated $2000 Bond.

It is good to see that there is no room for air rage in this society, and that the courts are willing to enforce the law on those who are unruly. Some people would argue that maybe we shouldn't serve alcohol at airports or on planes, but I would make the argument that the vast majority of people can handle it no problem. I've had my fair share of drinks travelling and at most I'd be moderately tired.

Hopefully Australia has a do not fly list like other jurisdictions and this perp is added to said list.

-RooFlyer88

 

[Saab34]

Horrible Person. The court has pictured him as a thug. He seems to think he is a victim according to his media chat after it occurred.

 

[gaz0303]

Now that the details have come out, are we going to see some corrections from any above AFF’s who blamed Jetstar staff or authorities?

Hope the wife and kids stayed safe and continue to feel safe.

 

[MARTINE]

Just thought I'd provide a non-paywalled version of the story from:

Man Tasered on Jetstar flight fined

www.9news.com.au

To summarize, the perpetrator's wife and children asked JQ to reseat them since they didn't feel safe around a heavily intoxicated partner. JQ complied, but the perp was triggered by the request and when AFP was called on board started fighting with them and going after their taser. Only after being tasered 3 times did he stop.



It is good to see that there is no room for air rage in this society, and that the courts are willing to enforce the law on those who are unruly. Some people would argue that maybe we shouldn't serve alcohol at airports or on planes, but I would make the argument that the vast majority of people can handle it no problem. I've had my fair share of drinks travelling and at most I'd be moderately tired.

Hopefully Australia has a do not fly list like other jurisdictions and this perp is added to said list.

-RooFlyer88

Sad
Its his partner and child I feel for. I hope they have support

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Just thought I'd provide a non-paywalled version of the story from:

Man Tasered on Jetstar flight fined

www.9news.com.au

To summarize, the perpetrator's wife and children asked JQ to reseat them since they didn't feel safe around a heavily intoxicated partner. JQ complied, but the perp was triggered by the request and when AFP was called on board started fighting with them and going after their taser. Only after being tasered 3 times did he stop.



It is good to see that there is no room for air rage in this society, and that the courts are willing to enforce the law on those who are unruly. Some people would argue that maybe we shouldn't serve alcohol at airports or on planes, but I would make the argument that the vast majority of people can handle it no problem. I've had my fair share of drinks travelling and at most I'd be moderately tired.

Hopefully Australia has a do not fly list like other jurisdictions and this perp is added to said list.

-RooFlyer88

The family asked to be reseated because they were having an argument. It doesn’t say the man was heavily intoxicated. He would not have been allowed to board if heavily intoxicated.

 

[JohnK]

Now that the details have come out, are we going to see some corrections from any above AFF’s who blamed Jetstar staff or authorities?

Hope the wife and kids stayed safe and continue to feel safe.

I think I'm one of those criticising JQ staff.

From my experience airline staff do not always do the right thing. As with everything you need to be able to deal with the situation in the right way. Showing force and threats is not always the right way to deal with issues.

 

[Guvner]

To actually enforce a no fly list for starters.

I asked "what problem would be solved?"
Are you saying this is actually a known problem? I've never read anything to suggest it is.

 

[jb747]

I think I'm one of those criticising JQ staff.

From my experience airline staff do not always do the right thing. As with everything you need to be able to deal with the situation in the right way. Showing force and threats is not always the right way to deal with issues.

So what's the right way John? His family didn't want to sit with him. The second he moved and then refused to move back, he wasn't traveling. As a Captain, I would never allow any 'negotiation'. If you are problem enough to come to my attention before getting off the ground, you're not going to be given the opportunity to be a problem where it's much harder to get rid of you.

 

[Mwenenzi]

Now that the details have come out, are we going to see some corrections from any above AFF’s who blamed Jetstar staff or authorities?

Hope the wife and kids stayed safe and continue to feel safe.

From https://www.news.com.au/travel/trav...t/news-story/a8b4d3f45feb726b3cba4afe927431ce

<snip>
A Melbourne singer who was Tasered three times by Australian Federal Police on a Jetstar flight has revealed the reason behind the disturbing incident — he refused to sit in his designated seat after a fight with his girlfriend. Bolic Malou, a “Sudan-born, Melbourne-based” singer known as Rockstar Bo La, was boarding a flight home from WA in March when he got into an argument with his partner in the airport terminal and pushed ahead of her in the queue.

The woman asked airline staff if she and their child could change seats to no longer be sitting with the musician and her request was granted.

When Malou, 30, realised his family had changed seats, he moved and sat with them and refused to get back up. Three AFP officers were called in to help move him but attempts to return Malou to his assigned seat quickly descended into a turbulent arrest, captured on video by a fellow passenger. The distressing footage showed Malou and officers in a physical altercation in the plane aisle, before Malou — who authorities believe was drunk at the time — tried to put one of the officers in a headlock and grab his taser.
<snip>
Malou was fined $1500 and placed on a 12-month good behaviour bond. It is understood his partner and child are now living in Sudan

 

[Rich]

The follow up gives me faith in humanity. That is, the humanity of Jetstar staff.

 

[justinbrett]

I love threads like these!

I can't believe you think this is about the seat. You've seen a slither of the story and you've got it all worked out.