Jetstar to be included in *ONE* fares?

[futaris]

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/PDFRedirect.asp?date=16_06_2009

Qantas is in talks with Oneworld to have Jetstar included in the alliance’s Oneworld Explorer fares. Rob Gurney, group executive Qantas Airlines Commercial, told the Australian Tourism Exchange in Melbourne the airline was keen to add Jetstar to the fare type.

The Qantas off-shoot is currently only available as part of Oneworld’s Global Explorer fare. “We are discussing that with Oneworld at the moment and potentially in the future Jetstar will be added to those products as well,” Gurney said.

 

[docjames]

I bet they want it included as they'll get the same % of the revenue from the L/D/A ticket, but run it on a JQ flight so the profit margin will be better.


I cant imagine you'd want a JQ *C seat as part of a DONEx :shock:

 

[futaris]

...
See Section I:

All other codeshare flights are not permitted with exception of:
QF codeshare services on TN (Air Tahiti Nui), VN (Air Vietnam), SA (South African Airways) and JQ (Jetstar*).
*QF Domestic Australia codeshare services operated by JQ (Jetstar) are not permitted for point of sale Australia.

 

[simongr]

I cant imagine you'd want a JQ *C seat as part of a DONEx :shock:

It might help with improved access to some routes such as in NZ and to OOL.

 

[serfty]

It might help with improved access to some routes such as in NZ and to OOL.

OOL/NRT/KIX maybe but there's currently no *Class TT.

 

[docjames]

It might help with improved access to some routes such as in NZ and to OOL.

That may be the logic but exclude *C - allows domestic availability within NZ in Y for those wanting RTW tickets.

 

[dajop]

Wonder if plans also include 3K. Could considerably strengthen the offering of oneworld in SE Asia (eg connections from SIN to CGK, KUL, BKK, MNL, SGN, HKT etc without transitting HKG or the limitations of 1 flight a day such as current JL SIN-KUL, CX SIN-BKK). Could even tie in nicely with the KA network.

 

[serfty]

Wonder if plans also include 3K. Could considerably strengthen the offering of oneworld in SE Asia ... Could even tie in nicely with the KA network.

I can't see CX being too happy with that one.

I guess it could be controlled with QF codeshares on Jetstar flights.

 

[djfuzz]

What about earning Oneworld FF miles on JQ flights as well then?

At the very least on JetFlex and *Class fares... wishful?

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Wonder if plans also include 3K. Could considerably strengthen the offering of oneworld in SE Asia (eg connections from SIN to CGK, KUL, BKK, MNL, SGN, HKT etc without transitting HKG or the limitations of 1 flight a day such as current JL SIN-KUL, CX SIN-BKK). Could even tie in nicely with the KA network.

The main issue I see with JQ joining the OW camp is the actual selling of the flight.

The majority of LCC's save money by selling tickets via the web only as opposed to the traditional methods of via a GDS like Galileo, Amadeus or Sabre which makes it easier & quicker for travel agents to book the flights.

As LCC's aren't hosted in GDS's I imagine it would restrict the selling of flights to only those who had a codeshare arrangement with an airline who was hosted in a GDS eg the JQ/QF scenario.

If a travel agent makes a booking eg on QF SYD/HKG/SYD the GDS would then bill the airline USD5.00 per sector booked (known as a segment rebate). It's been over ten years since I worked at a GDS so I don't know what the figure is these days.

In short you have an airline eg JQ who pays zip in distribution costs for pax booked on their flights via QF codeshare flights as QF of course pick up the tab for the segment rebates.

I don't know how they would sell (non QF codeshare) JQ flights as part of a xONEx fare. Treading in murky waters me thinks.

 

[samh004]

What about earning Oneworld FF miles on JQ flights as well then?

At the very least on JetFlex and *Class fares... wishful?

Well in an xONEx it’s full economy, business or first, so it all works out in that regard (earning), and they don’t need to include JQ in OW for anything else, but I do think it would drag OW down as being a premium alliance…

Not that QF/JQ want to, but I’m sure SC/points earn would help keep customers with them, and create problems for DJ. That’s a different issue though.

I guess as far as economy OWE fares go, it’s a stretch to include them in what would generally be full service, but there are certain routes where they could be useful, and every flight can be chosen individually, so anyone choosing JQ should know what they’re getting

 

[oz_mark]

Well in an xONEx it’s full economy,

A LONEx is discount economy.

 

[samh004]

A LONEx is discount economy.

It is… oh, then that raises some questions, as you can’t earn discount SC’s on JQ, so those flights would be completely non-earning? I can’t imagine customers would be happy, airlines might be, as they are reducing the miles earned…

I always assumed the RTW’s were full economy, full business and full first, but that changes things *gulp* haha.

 

[dajop]

but I do think it would drag OW down as being a premium alliance…

The multitide of other issues not withstanding, in the economy cabin it doesn't drag down OW any more than AA domestic flights ..... Of course no J cabin, but then again QF Link and American Eagle have no J cabins either.

 

[pauly7]

The multitide of other issues not withstanding, in the economy cabin it doesn't drag down OW any more than AA domestic flights ..... Of course no J cabin, but then again QF Link and American Eagle have no J cabins either.

Some American Eagle birds do actually. F to be precise.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

I guess as far as economy OWE fares go, it’s a stretch to include them in what would generally be full service, but there are certain routes where they could be useful, and every flight can be chosen individually, so anyone choosing JQ should know what they’re getting

Theoretically speaking yes but the trouble is that the punters don't think they're getting JQ, they're choosing what they think is Qantas because it has a QF flight number but are ending up with Jetstar - that's the problem. They're paying for a silk purse and getting a sow's ear.

As for booking a JQ flight number outright assuming there is no QF codeshare number to book it under. You would need to do a separate booking on the JQ website then somehow magically get it ticketed on the same ticket as the other flights that are on a separate booking.

Does the JQ website even allow you to make a booking only without having to pay for it straight away? In any case you don't want to pay for a JQ sector fare as it's forming part of a RTW journey.

There's just too many what ifs here making it a messy situation and just highlights why you need to keep the JQ & QF brands totally separate.

 

[mannej]

Wonder if plans also include 3K. Could considerably strengthen the offering of oneworld in SE Asia (eg connections from SIN to CGK, KUL, BKK, MNL, SGN, HKT etc without transitting HKG or the limitations of 1 flight a day such as current JL SIN-KUL, CX SIN-BKK). Could even tie in nicely with the KA network.

Flame me if I am wrong, but I believe JL pulled out of SIN-KUL as a part of their route overhaul


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[oz_mark]

Flame me if I am wrong, but I believe JL pulled out of SIN-KUL as a part of their route overhaul

JL pulled out of this earlier this year, whereas dajop's comment was made over a year ago.

 

[mannej]

JL pulled out of this earlier this year, whereas dajop's comment was made over a year ago.

Sorry that doesn't come up on the iPhone;-)


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[NM]

One possible way for JQ flights to be included in OneWorld Explorer or Global Explorer fares would be for QF to offer a codeshare on the JQ flights. They could restrict sale of the QF codesahre to such tickets and could also select the routes they want included. Then the only change required in the fare rules would be to include JQ operated QF codeshares. Solves the GDS/Sales issue as it would be a QF flight shown in Amadeus.