JQ Approved for HNL flights

[serfty]

Qantas would have set a number of criteria to be met in order to guage the success of Jetstar. I think it would be simplistic to suggest that the only measure is Profit.

Good Point, sometimes (often, in the restricted world of Oz Aviation) an entity is created as a defense/weapon for a specific purpose. It is almost certain that AO had it genesis in the combating of possible incusion of international LCC's. This was back in an era that saw the first Qantas 73H's being ordered as WHY only aircraft.

Surely some of the lessons learned from AO were employed when conceiving JQ.

There is almost certainly more to JQ than making a profit as far qa Qantas management are concerned; my guess is that in it's initial stages, Qantas considered JQ covering it's costs as a bonus.

 

[thadocta]

And I am the only person that dislikes them? I am trying to find the glowing reports from all the happy customers that have flown Jetstar.

All I see is doom and gloom.

I have flown them, and will do so again.

When I fly I need flexible tickets. K class on QF SYD-MEL is normally around the $320 mark. JQ on SYD-AVV is aorund the $180 mark - to about a $140 difference.

I am quite happy to fork out around $30 on board for food and drinks on JQ, and be amongst the first group to board (due to status), and I am still well ahead in $$$$ terms.

Dave

 

[thadocta]

It is an opinion, right or wrong is irrelevant and it is not your place in society to correct me. You could have left it alone, yet you chose to flame me again.

Dave Noble is not the only one to have repeatedly questioned you on this forum. You have posted a HUGE number of posts, yet the quality of your posts seems to be seriously lacking.

I would value ANYTHING posted by Dave Noble over anything posted by you.

Dave

(Note, some will see this post as a flame, and it will probably be deleted, but I think it needs to be said, since some new members will look at post counts, and will give JohnK more credibility than he deserves).

 

[thadocta]

Your only justification for success is profit alone. I would say that they are not successful. Who is right? You or me?

I am a contractor for a company that makes hundreds of millions of dollars profit every year. You know what? They do not consider themselves successful. Why? Because they constantly review customer feedback and are always trying to improve their business practices. To them just one negative feedback is failure. Part of their business is service related. Jetstar provides a service!!!! Would not call them a success. They have failed miserably.

I would suggest that the number of people now flying who have never flown before - and I know of a large number of people in this situation - who are flying because of JQ and the ripple effect - shows that they have been a success.

Let's look at it - JQ was devised as a way for the QF Group to service the low yield market without the high costs of the high-yield operation.

The QF Group has succeeded admirably here - the low-yield market is being well-serviced by a low-cost operation, whilst the high-yield market is being serviced by the high-cost operation.

And those of us who can cross both markets get the best of both worlds (I get full-Y SC's on a fare cheaper than a lot of discount-Y QF fares).

This is indeed what I call a "success".

Dave

 

[NM]

I suggest that the measure of success of any company is in shareholder value, and that is generally measured in terms of Return On Invested Capital (ROIC).

Byt that measure, one of the most successful airlines in the world is Southwest Airlines (WN). I have no desire to fly with them. They have a similar type of service to JQ and in fact I expect many aspects of JQ's operation have been modelled on that of WN. They have some very vocal critics just like JQ. However, I don't know too many people who would claim they are not successful.

But looking at ROIC for any airline around the world, I am not currently attracted to invest my hard-earned capital for level of return.

 

[maninblack]

What a shame that this thread has turned into a whole series of personal gripes at each other. The topic,news on the JQ service to Honolulu, and related news is what this thread is about and what I am interested in. You should all cut out the irrelevant sniping. :evil:

 

[Dave Noble]

. It is a leisure market route, but a premium one and is also part of oneworld RTW ticketing...here's hoping:!:

Remember though, JQ is permitted on OWEs when the POS is not in Australia or New Zealand, so they have dealt with the OWE/GLOB issue for those overseas

67N . QF CODESHARE SERVICES OPERATED BY
68N . JQ/JETSTAR ARE PERMITTED EXCEPT FOR POINT OF SALE
69N . AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND.

This would seem not to auger well in the hope that QF will maintain its own service there.

Dave

 

[thadocta]

What a shame that this thread has turned into a whole series of personal gripes at each other. The topic,news on the JQ service to Honolulu, and related news is what this thread is about and what I am interested in. You should all cut out the irrelevant sniping. :evil:

It is all actually relevant - one poster has been claiming that JQ are not successful, and has been attacking a respected member. His inordinately high post count (padded with such useless threads along the lines of "When will [insert user name here] post their 1000th post") make him far more credible than he actually is.

Those of us who have been here for a long time know to treat him appropriately, but those who are newcomers to the forum have very little information on which to assess credibility, and unfortunately, post counts is one of the ways in which people will assess his credibility.

It is therefore necessary to attack his totally unfounded assertions, such as the one he made in this very thread that JetStar is not a successful operation - it is highly successful. Unless this is done - in the thread where he made his totally unfounded assertions - then those assertions will gain credibility which they do not deserve.

Dave

(I will add that this person threatened me in a private message).