JQ to start PER-BNE and PER-OOL direct?

[Oneworldplus2]

I think that those "sharklet" tips were first introduced on the Boeing 747. (I'm probably wrong though).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device

Passenger aircraft Boeing announced a new version of the 747 in October 1985, known as the 747-400, with an extended range and capacity. With that particular model, Boeing used a combination of winglets and increased span to carry the additional load. The winglets increased the 747-400's range by 3.5 percent over the 747-400D, which is otherwise aerodynamically identical but has no winglets.[12] Winglets are preferred for Boeing derivative designs based on existing platforms, because they allow maximum re-use of existing components. Newer designs are favoring increased span, other wingtip devices or a combination of both, whenever possible.
In 2002, Boeing first flew a production Next-Generation 737 with its new Blended Winglets, six-foot extensions that decrease fuel consumption by about 4 to 6 percent. The airplane gained supplemental type certification in 2003, and the majority of 737s delivered today are equipped with the devices.[citation needed]
In 2009, Airbus announced the introduction of Sharklet winglets for A320 aircraft. These winglets are expected to reduce fuel usage by 3.5%[13]

And here l was listening to ALLEN JOYCE words last year about QF Group not getting any more "Jetstarised" one any more QF routes.

I can understand QF thinking. Costs per mile on Jetstar is a lot less of what is costs QF. I often wonder if in 10 years time if there will be any QF planes at all and not all orange stars flying


Qantas not being 'Jetstarised' | Perth Now

Qantas will not be 'Jetstarised': Joyce

More turbulence ahead for Alan Joyce

 

[markis10]

I think that those "sharklet" tips were first introduced on the Boeing 747. (I'm probably wrong though).

The A320 was the first airliner with winglets, the 744 was the first with the style that is now becoming the norm, that is an upturned wing so to speak. The first aircraft to have them was the Rutan Varieze (note them on my Avatar which is also a Rutan design) while the first commercially produced aircraft was the Lear 28.

 

[tuppaware]

Why does the B777 doesn't have them?
Something to do with 'ranked' wingtips?

 

[markis10]

Why does the B777 doesn't have them?
Something to do with 'ranked' wingtips?

They have raked wingtips which are similar in terms of what they are trying to achieve, same goes for the rotors on an Augusta Merlin, along with any Hartzell propeller equipped aircraft using the Qtip etc. AirNZ have retrofitted winglets to the 767 fleet.

 

[samh004]

Got this from JQ’s Twitter account: Jetstar to slash prices and put on 22 extra flights to Perth | Perth Now

What’s the a/c in the photo, not seen one of them flying?

 

[dk4]

What’s the a/c in the photo, not seen one of them flying?

Boeing 717

Now an old JQ photo may be particularly confusing for the good people of Perth, who are use to their 717s painted in QFlink livery!

 

[markis10]

Got this from JQ’s Twitter account: Jetstar to slash prices and put on 22 extra flights to Perth | Perth Now

What’s the a/c in the photo, not seen one of them flying?

They bought those aircraft on an impulse

 

[docjames]

Why does the B777 doesn't have them?
Something to do with 'ranked' wingtips?

They have raked wingtips which are similar in terms of what they are trying to achieve, same goes for the rotors on an Augusta Merlin, along with any Hartzell propeller equipped aircraft using the Qtip etc. AirNZ have retrofitted winglets to the 767 fleet.

The 777 was initally designed with foldable wingtips (to allow greater wingspan but to be able to fit into a lower category of width for ground handling), which thus meant it had to be designed without winglets, but the weight tradeoff for having the joints and actuation mechanisms meant that customers demanded boeing delete them, and apparently they went for a non-winglet design as the tapered tips were more efficient (ISTR something about trialling different winglets but they were heavy and less efficient as the entire wing had been designed around non-winglets.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

And here l was listening to ALLEN JOYCE words last year about QF Group not getting any more "Jetstarised" one any more QF routes.

I can understand QF thinking. Costs per mile on Jetstar is a lot less of what is costs QF. I often wonder if in 10 years time if there will be any QF planes at all and not all orange stars flying


Qantas not being 'Jetstarised' | Perth Now

Qantas will not be 'Jetstarised': Joyce

More turbulence ahead for Alan Joyce

How ironic is that? If QF were serious about not getting any more "Jetstarised" the last thing they would do is give the former CEO of JQ the new job at QF particularly when they had the likes of John Borghetti waiting in the wings.

 

[dk4]

How ironic is that? If QF were serious about not getting any more "Jetstarised" the last thing they would do is give the former CEO of JQ the new job at QF particularly when they had the likes of John Borghetti waiting in the wings.

IMO, JB was an ideal candidate to let go -

• he had been at QF long enough, that any real innovative value which he had to give the corporation, had already been extracted.
• he would present an ideal gambit to play, for a competitor to pick up. (which they did! leaving QF with a complete set of behavioural and psychological profiling on the top man at Virgin - ingenious. and DJ with a CEO that is either second guessing every instinct he has, or will play the game exactly as QF wants.)

 

[mannej]

I guess the A330 would be overkill then? I think on a red-eye flight, StarClass could be an easy sell.

I don't think JQ see the need to fly an A330 to PER considering that it would have to fit in with their timetables. They did schedule it once on JQ969/968(?) but that only lasted about a week before it changed.

The only way I can see that changing is if JQ decided to introduce a PER-(anywhere in Asia) that required the range of the A330. Until then I think we are stuck with the A320/321's

 

[oz_mark]

I don't think JQ see the need to fly an A330 to PER considering that it would have to fit in with their timetables. They did schedule it once on JQ969/968(?) but that only lasted about a week before it changed.

IIRC that was only while a new A330 was introduced into service and prior to the start of an international route it was being used for.

 

[mannej]

IIRC that was only while a new A330 was introduced into service and prior to the start of an international route it was being used for.

Yes that was the one.

Either way I don't think it'll be coming back our way anytime soon

 

[markis10]

I don't think JQ see the need to fly an A330 to PER considering that it would have to fit in with their timetables. They did schedule it once on JQ969/968(?) but that only lasted about a week before it changed.

The only way I can see that changing is if JQ decided to introduce a PER-(anywhere in Asia) that required the range of the A330. Until then I think we are stuck with the A320/321's

JQ did run an A330 for a month on the CNS-MEL-PER loop when it was delivered (April from memory) but they dont have the aircraft to justify it at present, nor the loads, if QF withdrew some services it might be a different story but I dont think that will happen yet.

 

[samh004]

So maybe the Dreamliner? I'm not sure on what they could sell, but a cheaper comfy seat on a red-eye of that distance just seems like an easy sell. If they rebranded as PE (as DJ exits) so the SC loss wasn't as great, I think they'd be onto a winner. But what do I know about routes, costs and services.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Apparently someone who looked very like JB was in DXB recently talking to EK about leasing some A330's. EK have a subsidiary company that just deals in leasing aircraft.

I can just see JQ coughfooting around, holding off introducing the A330 domestically until the 787 can replace the A330 on the current international routes then DJ will come in & blitz them offering a J class for a PE price on a widebody on the transcontinental routes.

 

[markis10]

Apparently someone who looked very like JB was in DXB recently talking to EK about leasing some A330's. EK have a subsidiary company that just deals in leasing aircraft.

I can just see JQ coughfooting around, holding off introducing the A330 domestically until the 787 can replace the A330 on the current international routes then DJ will come in & blitz them offering a J class for a PE price on a widebody on the transcontinental routes.

DJ will have 6 widebodies by Feb, JQ dont have the spare capacity or aircraft to bring A330s online domestically, they have spent enough this year on qantas charters to HNL alone!

 

[mannej]

DJ will have 6 widebodies by Feb, JQ dont have the spare capacity or aircraft to bring A330s online domestically, they have spent enough this year on qantas charters to HNL alone!

I thought it would be a case of capacity. I don't think EBJ would help either if it did come online fairly shortly after EBO joins the QF fleet.

In regards to the EK 330's, unless they have refitted the fleet, I didn't find them that particularly ground breaking. Actually they were pretty average, just like the CX regional config with loop IFE and those older thicker seats. The only advantage they would have over JQ would be the loop IFE, but nothing of the QF A330's (IMO)