"KIDNAPPED" in "Australia" by Japanese Whalers

[The Rok]

Whalers detain WA trio, govt urged to actPersonally I would throw them over board, but I believe there may be laws agains that. Or drop them somewhere in the arctic circle.

 

[Mal]

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If the morons choose to "board" a foreign ship, then the crew onboard are entitled to do what is reasonable.

Is "detaining" (and I don't believe we have the full story) appropriate? Perhaps. Depends on other factors as well.

The anti-whaling mob are getting more and more rabid, taking illegal actions and questionable moral tactics. They put themselves further and further into risk on their crusade.

 

[haydensydney]

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This says it all really:

Forest Rescue issued a statement saying they had "come from the forests of Australia" to defend the whales

Fact is, they put themselves in this stupid position, so I don't see why the government should be in a rush to get them out of it.

P.S... The title referencing "the Jap's" sounds extremely bogan and could be considered by some to be racist (I don't, but some might) FYI

 

[samh004]

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I’d like to try whale one day, although I hear it’s not very good… but I agree with most of the rest of the world in that Japan is Just BS-ing to get past the issue, and perhaps the government should take a stronger stance on the issue.

That said, they boarded the boat outside of Australian territorial waters, so there’s no issue with the Japanese vessel continuing it’s pursuit of the Steve Irwin, with them on board.

And you know, maybe they’ll get a taste for whale meat on board

 

[The Rok]

Re: KIDNAPPED in Australia by the Japanese!

P.S... The title referencing "the Jap's" sounds extremely bogan and could be considered by some to be racist (I don't, but some might) FYI

I actualy considered that before I wrote it but I forgot to edit before sending submit.

 

[drron]

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Well I really feel it is about time the Government did get involved.
It should prosecute those who knowingly and deliberately break maritime law.

 

[The Rok]

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Well I really feel it is about time the Government did get involved.
It should prosecute those who knowingly and deliberately break maritime law.

In this case that would be the Anti Whalers!

Some of the tactics they have undertaken at sea are mind blowing.

I grew up on a Naval Base with a dad who was at sea for 15 years so I have the highest respect for martime law.

 

[ausi ski bum]

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I just got back from my sixth trip to Japan where I have travelled extensively going to places most tourists miss.

The one thing we have never found in a shop or on a menu is Whale, we have tried and tried and it is just very hard or imposible to find.

Maybe they are telling the truth about research.

 

[Happy Trails]

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I tried whale meat once, many years ago, in Norway.
Found it revolting.

 

[samh004]

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In this case that would be the Anti Whalers!

Some of the tactics they have undertaken at sea are mind blowing.

I grew up on a Naval Base with a dad who was at sea for 15 years so I have the highest respect for martime law.

Sure, dropping lines into the water to snare on a propellor is a pretty bad thing to do, but then again, plowing into another boat and chopping it in half could be considered a little worse

 

[munitalP]

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I just got back from my sixth trip to Japan where I have travelled extensively going to places most tourists miss.

The one thing we have never found in a shop or on a menu is Whale, we have tried and tried and it is just very hard or imposible to find.

Maybe they are telling the truth about research.

Perhaps try JAL first class..


I can see some warnings and bans happening on this thread.

Sea Shepard has my support and my annual donation

Everything a human can do to save the inhumane slaughter of mammals to satisfy the taste buds of wealthy Japs I will support. This is an unnecessary barbaric practice that is not acceptable in 2012.

Anyone who supports this cruel and barbaric act has rocks in their head.

Please note:

I support the hunting of whales where it is a traditional means of supporting life such as Faroe Islanders etc

 

[The Rok]

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Sure, dropping lines into the water to snare on a propellor is a pretty bad thing to do, but then again, plowing into another boat and chopping it in half could be considered a little worse

Well we have all seen the footage of that incident and to be honest I think the whaling fleet were protecting themselves. If I owned a 20 million dollar vessel and somebody was interfering with my boat, my crew, my life and my livelihood then I too would of rammed them.

Much the same scenario as somebody shooting an intruder in their house.

The anti whaling fleet are risking lives and it appears to be a sport for some of them.

 

[The Rok]

re: "KIDNAPPED" in "Australia" by Japanese Whalers

Perhaps try JAL first class..


I can see some warnings and bans happening on this thread.

Sea Shepard has my support and my annual donation

Everything a human can do to save the inhumane slaughter of mammals to satisfy the taste buds of wealthy Japs I will support. This is an unnecessary barbaric practice that is not acceptable in 2012.

Anyone who supports this cruel and barbaric act has rocks in their head.

I don’t support whaling. I don’t support the inhumane slaughter or mammals, I don’t think the Japanese whaling fleet has the right to do what they are doing. What I do support is the maritime laws. What I do support is democratic actions, not malicious actions that endanger lives and make a mockery of maritime laws.

The only analogy I can give is if the green peace protesters al LHR protesting over the additional runway suddenly started firing objects at the planes on takeoff and landing. I wonder how that would be taken?

 

[drron]

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In this case that would be the Anti Whalers!

Some of the tactics they have undertaken at sea are mind blowing.

I grew up on a Naval Base with a dad who was at sea for 15 years so I have the highest respect for martime law.

Exactly.
I did try whale meat in Norway in 2010.Dont need to try it again.
There was a whale meat shop and restaurant we saw in the Asakusa district of Tokyo.

 

[NM]

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There seems to be a difference in perspective - kidnapping (holding someone against their will) verses piracy (uninvited and unauthorised boarding of a ship).

 

[samh004]

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Well we have all seen the footage of that incident and to be honest I think the whaling fleet were protecting themselves. If I owned a 20 million dollar vessel and somebody was interfering with my boat, my crew, my life and my livelihood then I too would of rammed them.

Much the same scenario as somebody shooting an intruder in their house.

The anti whaling fleet are risking lives and it appears to be a sport for some of them.

I don’t support whaling. I don’t support the inhumane slaughter or mammals, I don’t think the Japanese whaling fleet has the right to do what they are doing. What I do support is the maritime laws. What I do support is democratic actions, not malicious actions that endanger lives and make a mockery of maritime laws.

The only analogy I can give is if the green peace protesters al LHR protesting over the additional runway suddenly started firing objects at the planes on takeoff and landing. I wonder how that would be taken?

So you respect maritime laws, but feel that the owner of a $20 million vessel has the right to ram another ship. Pot calling the kettle black?

I agree with the principle, they should be able to defend themselves, and they use that water cannon quite effectively. They could also choose to do the same to the Steve Irwin (nets and propellors), but you’re saying it’s okay for them to chop another boat in half.

Sure sure, I guess it’s easy to follow and respect the rules in one breath, and not in another.

I’m bowing out of this thread. (Ooh a pun!)

 

[munitalP]

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I don’t support whaling. I don’t support the inhumane slaughter or mammals, I don’t think the Japanese whaling fleet has the right to do what they are doing. What I do support is the maritime laws. What I do support is democratic actions, not malicious actions that endanger lives and make a mockery of maritime laws.

The only analogy I can give is if the green peace protesters al LHR protesting over the additional runway suddenly started firing objects at the planes on takeoff and landing. I wonder how that would be taken?

Thats not an analogy, that's a fantasy.

A reality is the Japanese government supports this action financially when there are hundreds of thousands of displaced Japanese due to earthquake and tsunami many of whom will die through disease and cold this winter.

Non support IMHO of the whaling would be support of those who put their lives at risk bringing the media attention needed to gain support against the fleet. The arrogance of the Japanese fleet in ignoring the world wide request to stop whaling, then the Japanese government supporting the fleet financially this year is typically Japanese arrogance and giving the rest of the world the finger while munching on whale sashimi.

 

[drron]

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So you respect maritime laws, but feel that the owner of a $20 million vessel has the right to ram another ship. Pot calling the kettle black?

I agree with the principle, they should be able to defend themselves, and they use that water cannon quite effectively. They could also choose to do the same to the Steve Irwin (nets and propellors), but you’re saying it’s okay for them to chop another boat in half.

Sure sure, I guess it’s easy to follow and respect the rules in one breath, and not in another.

I’m bowing out of this thread. (Ooh a pun!)

It all depends whether you think the Japanese rammed the Ady Gil or not.It is one of those he said,I said scenarios.I had the opportunity to speak to an ex Greenpeace captain who sailed to Antarctica.His opinion of Captain Paul Watson of Sea Shephartd was not complimentary.He was unsure who hit what but pointed me to a NZ publication of photos from Sea Shephard.Despite the Sea Shephard script it clearly shows the Ady Gil accelerating seconds prior to the collision.As he said a Captain has a duty to protect his ship and crew.The Ady gil being fast and manoueverable should not have got into that situation.He ended by saying he thought both sides were at fault.
Here are those photos-
Waitakere News: Earthrace's wake (or is that demise?)

You can also watch Sea shephards video.The Ady Gil video certainly gives the impression that the Japanese ship rammed it.however the video from ther whaler clearly shows the Ady Gil accelerating and the head on shot shows the Japanese initially turning towards the Ady Gil but turning away just before the collision.
Revealing The Truth About The Ramming Of The SSCS Ady Gil video on CastTV Video Search

Bottom line.Maybe the Japanese tried to ram the Ady gil but as it was the faster and more manoueverable vessel why was it put in that position?

 

[trooper]

Exactly... How can a faster and more manouverable vessel be "rammed"? It makes no sense...

I am sorry to say I think the anti-whaling activists try to make these things happen.

Dancing around in the path of a larger/slower and less manouverable vessel is inviting trouble... look at the Voyager and the Frank E Evans incidents.

In any case there is no "single fault" in a collision at sea under the International rules....At the point where action by a single vessel will NOT prevent a collision, BOTH vessels are equally obliged to take whatever action is necessary... pardon me for suggesting the Ady Gil did not meet it's obligations under the regulations for prevention of collision at sea.. to say the least!

Turning "toward" another vessel is not unusual in a collision avoidance situation either... the "give way" vessel" may well turn to pass astern of the "stand on" vessel...

If the Japanese whalers adopted the sort of tactics the anti's do the outcry would be immense... Why the double standard?

Boarding?? To support that is to suggest the activists are above the law completely....

I support the protestors in principle... but only if they stay within the bounds of safety and sanity. At this point.. I don't think they do.

MunitalP praises the activists for "putting their lives at risk"... which to me is a dead giveaway that even their uncritical supporters know they are engaging in risky and illegal behaviour... Normal navigation of vessels at sea.. even in proximity to other vessels...is not life threatening... what they are up to is something else entirely...

With all the claims by supporters of the activists that the Australian Government should "step in" (particularly if this was in Australian waters) it would be interesting if the whalers managed to get an official request made by Japan for assistance in preventing further "attacks" on their merchant vessels so that they may "pass on the seas upon their lawful occasion" () That would be an interesting twist...

 

[drron]

The boarding did not take place in Australian Territorial waters.It did take place in our exclusive economic zone which is something altogether different.
As well the ship they boarded is a converted whaler and now is crewed by the Japanese coastguard.Sea Shepherd knew this as they put out a press release critiscising the Japanese for doing so.Just imagine the diplomatic row if an Australian naval vessel tried to apprehend a Japanese coastguard vessel.