"KIDNAPPED" in "Australia" by Japanese Whalers

[medhead]

Sorry for lack of direct quotes and such I really can't be too bothered. But here it is:

Japanese self defence force is exactly that a self defence force for Japan. I'd guess it would be constitutional prohibited for a submarine to be in the southern ocean.

The eco-terrorists don't scare the whales because it lacks headlines as already mentioned.

Japan whaling in the 1930s is irrelevant. Everyone whaled back then for oil. We are being told that whale is a traditional Japanese food. (Did they eat whale in the 1930s?) In that case what is more relevant is how they hunted this traditional food source in the 1800s or 1700s or 1600s or 1500s. There is no point getting distracted by irrelevance, the point of the "research" today is very different from what was happening in the 1930s.


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[ermen]

Some thoughts

1. This activity is presumably illegal according to Australian law. But given that they were not operating in Australian waters (at least by international standards) then it is irrelevant.
2. The same people who complain will have no compunction eating beef, pork, lamb whatever (ok i forgot about the REALLY hardcore vegans).
3. On that note, why not organise some sort of protest where we get vegetarian activisits to break into farms and free all the animals?
4. What Japan does is what it does. Just as Australians kill kangaroos for meat, Japan kills whales for meat.
5. Seems like the statistics show that Japan has not exceeded its alloted quota. Now it could be for research / commerce whatever, the fact is that c.900 whales were due to be killed in any one year.
6. I am sure boarding a ship is tantamount to at least tresspassing. In any case, this sort of activity gets you shot at off the Horn of Africa. They were lucky this was off the coast of WA.
7. What if Japan introduced life imprisonment for people illegally boarding vessels on the high seas? I am sure people would complain - but why would they not give a thought that they were breaking Japanese law on a Japanese flagged vessel.
8. On the ethics of killing whales - hey that is different and totally subjective.

 

[drron]

They began whaling for food in the 1300s so yes they were eating whale meat in the 1930s.

 

[medhead]

They began whaling for food in the 1300s so yes they were eating whale meat in the 1930s.

So in the 1300s were they sailing to the southern ocean to hunt whales? If not, then they should follow 600 years of tradition, in preference to 70 years of non-tradition. IMO.

 

[medhead]

Some thoughts

3. On that note, why not organise some sort of protest where we get vegetarian activisits to break into farms and free all the animals?
4. What Japan does is what it does. Just as Australians kill kangaroos for meat, Japan kills whales for meat.
5. Seems like the statistics show that Japan has not exceeded its alloted quota. Now it could be for research / commerce whatever, the fact is that c.900 whales were due to be killed in any one year.

3. animal rights activists do that already
4. Oh the poor cute kangaroos. There was a pathetic you tube video on this that totally ignored the point that there are millions of kangaroos in Australia not just (what?) 600k to 900k.
5. It is a self imposed quota, as in Japan just made it up. It has no basis in scientific anything is is not a limit. Japan just says we're going to harvest 900 this year. Next year they could decide to harvest 20,000. There is no consolation in them not exceeding their quota. (Can I say I'm only going to run over 3 people this year and it will be ok?)*


* Yes, this is a very poor analogy, but hopefully you get the idea.

 

[Alanslegal]

""kidnapped""?? is such a sensationalised title. whats this aff thread becoming? a quasi-today tonight episode?

 

[drron]

Some thoughts

1. This activity is presumably illegal according to Australian law. But given that they were not operating in Australian waters (at least by international standards) then it is irrelevant.
2. The same people who complain will have no compunction eating beef, pork, lamb whatever (ok i forgot about the REALLY hardcore vegans).
3. On that note, why not organise some sort of protest where we get vegetarian activisits to break into farms and free all the animals?
4. What Japan does is what it does. Just as Australians kill kangaroos for meat, Japan kills whales for meat.
5. Seems like the statistics show that Japan has not exceeded its alloted quota. Now it could be for research / commerce whatever, the fact is that c.900 whales were due to be killed in any one year.
6. I am sure boarding a ship is tantamount to at least tresspassing. In any case, this sort of activity gets you shot at off the Horn of Africa. They were lucky this was off the coast of WA.
7. What if Japan introduced life imprisonment for people illegally boarding vessels on the high seas? I am sure people would complain - but why would they not give a thought that they were breaking Japanese law on a Japanese flagged vessel.
8. On the ethics of killing whales - hey that is different and totally subjective.

Agree with points 1,2,4,6,7,8.
On point 3-this already happens.Began in 1973 when a Hoescht lab in the UK was bombed.Even more"way out" is the movement for plant rights-in 2010 in the Netherlands election there was a "Party for Plants".
Point 5-the Japanese set their own quota so not really pertinent except that the fact that they reach their quota means no whales are saved by the antics to our south.

 

[ausi ski bum]

Most Japanese find it more disturbing we eat Kangaroo. Which of course we do because it tastes so good.

 

[Ikara]

My apologies if this point has already been made. I scanned through the 5 pages but didn't see it............

Whaling is not illegal - it may be immoral, but not illegal.
Piracy is illegal.

My thoughts for what they're worth.

JB

 

[The Rok]

This is the video of the pirates boarding the ship.

BBC News - Forest Rescue activists boarding whaling support ship

 

[Moopere]

This is the video of the pirates boarding the ship.

More stowaways than pirates unless they held the crew for ransom or caused criminal damage. Illegal nevertheless in most countries and certainly in Australia.

There are better ways of achieving the aim of causing the Japanese vessel to delay their pursuit of the SS ships. By almost universally accepted maritime law vessels at sea must come to the aid of stricken sailors - its illegal not to do so. Making judgement calls on whether those so stricken 'deserved it' or caused it themselves by whatever means is a civil argument to be held later .... vessels simply _must_ assist and not only if the at risk sailors are close by or conveniently located.

Let your imagination run wild at this point.

 

[The Rok]

More stowaways than pirates unless they held the crew for ransom or caused criminal damage. Illegal nevertheless in most countries and certainly in Australia.

Matter of opinion.

I don't know you and you don't know me, nor does anybody else on this forum. (Yet)

While I might be prepared to debate my opinions over a beer or 10 I won't do it on an internet forum to the extent that it becomes an all out battle for the final say. For every one keyboards warrior who thinks they are pirates (me) there will be someone else who thinks otherwise.

Had this of occurred in the waters off the coast of an African nation the Royal Navy would right now be boarding this ship with all guns blazing…..

 

[Moopere]

Sorry, I added a bit right after I posted. It may not have affected your response, my apologies if it would have.

 

[medhead]

Had this of occurred in the waters off the coast of an African nation the Royal Navy would right now be boarding this ship with all guns blazing…..

Flippant reply: why would the royal navy give a dam about sea Shepard people boarding a Japanese ship off Africa?Serious reply: what happens off the horn of Africa is the armed take over of ships. As in real piracy. Were these people armed, did they intend to take control of the ship and hold it and the crew to ransom?

 

[The Rok]

While I might be prepared to debate my opinions over a beer or 10 I won't do it on an internet forum to the extent that it becomes an all out battle for the final say. For every one keyboards warrior who thinks they are pirates (me) there will be someone else who thinks otherwise.

Flippant reply: why would the royal navy give a dam about sea Shepard people boarding a Japanese ship off Africa?

Serious reply: what happens off the horn of Africa is the armed take over of ships. As in real piracy. Where these people armed, did they intend to take control of the ship and hold it and the crew to ransom?

See post above.

 

[medhead]

See post above.

Matey, I take you point but I'm not debating whether these people are pirates or not. Simply making the point that there is a vast chasm between armed bandits taking over oil tanks and demanding vast sums of money and these sea shepard clowns. Basically the actions are not comparable. This lack of equivalence does not mean I'm defending their actions or suggesting they didn't forcibly (without guns) board a vessel in the open ocean.

I would also note that these people are also usually abusively opposed to my career activities, so I certainly have no love for them.

 

[The Rok]

Matey, I take you point but I'm not debating whether these people are pirates or not. Simply making the point that there is a vast chasm between armed bandits taking over oil tanks and demanding vast sums of money and these sea shepard clowns. Basically the actions are not comparable. This lack of equivalence does not mean I'm defending their actions or suggesting they didn't forcibly (without guns) board a vessel in the open ocean.

I would also note that these people are also usually abusively opposed to my career activities, so I certainly have no love for them.

Your in the whaling industry?

 

[medhead]

Your in the whaling industry?

Besides whaling (and chemtrails ), one of the top 3 Eco-terrorist protest targets (in a former life)

 

[Mal]

Appears the Japanese are going to release them.

To prove the moron point further, two of them have medical issues and require medication. Of course they didn't bring their meds with them...

 

[simongr]

Some thoughts
2. The same people who complain will have no compunction eating beef, pork, lamb whatever (ok i forgot about the REALLY hardcore vegans).

I would be more than happy for the Japanese to establish whale farms if they are rearing them for meat.