Locking the J toilet door

[justinbrett]

Most don't say anything about J /F loos being reserved for like passengers. Certainly nothing in QF which is what this post started with.

I'm not sure there's marketing about the Qantas F lounge toilets either but it just goes without saying that because they are wholly contained within the exclusive area (lounge/cabin) they are for those with access to that exclusive area.

Again, no issues if you specifically need to use those toilets because a cart is in the way etc and you ask, but you've also been saying pax can use any toilet; and since the title of this thread is about the toilets being locked, if those pax are asking they're either being told yes and having the door unlocked, or no and being sent back. So should be no complaints about the J toilet being locked, unless it's J pax complaining that the FA isn't being attentive when they've attempted to use (which hasn't been suggested).

 

[Scarlett]

I don’t know why the lyrics to the song The Beauty of Gray, by Live (1991), seem so fixed in my mind this morning…

 

[Eastwick20]

As someone who rarely travels in J and spends 99 percent of the time slumming it with the cattle down back, I fully support that i should not be allowed to be up in J using that toilet for the simple fact that I didn't pay to be in that space and those sitting in that cabin did.

If Y pax want to use the front lav, there is a simple way, buy a ticket/use points for that cabin like the ones sitting up chose to do.

If i ever found myself in a 'more urgent' situation I would always politely and respectfully ask a crew member first for permission and respect the decision they make either way.

 

[Quickstatus]

you've also been saying pax can use any toilet

No I said:

Loos should be available to everyone on the airplane irrespective of ticket price.

If Y pax want to use the front lav, there is a simple way, buy a ticket/use points for that cabin like the ones sitting up chose to do.

Or just ask.
I've found the cabin crew are usually quite sympathetic.

 

[Quickstatus]

If Y pax want to use the front lav, there is a simple way, buy a ticket/use points for that cabin like the ones sitting up chose to do.

Or just ask.
I've found the cabin crew are usually quite sympathetic.

 

[jpp42]

I think the solution is that if you want all loos to be available to everyone regardless of ticket price, you have a clear option which is to fly Jetstar, which for narrow bodies being economy-only, would have more loos per economy passenger by a significant factor!

QF 737-800 - 162 economy = 81 per loo
JQ A320 - 180 economy = 60 per loo

 

[tgh]

I’m out.

Conversation becoming a tad cough.. ?

 

[RooFlyer]

because nothing in the marketing of a J/F seat confers any entitlement to anything other than what the marketing describes.

Not part of the ‘bundle of rights’?

Seriously. I think we all know or should know how the system works. If you buy a business or first fare, you’re entitled to the amenities of business and first - the meals, the wines and the use of the J or F toilets. If you want those amenities, pay the fare.

Anyone can be granted those amenities by the FAs but IMHO just to ask to use the higher Cabin loo for convenience, say, or maybe even to ask for a business meal for taste while flying economy isn’t part of the regular deal.

Frankly I don’t care who’s bottom goes on the business or first loo but I do mind increased foot traffic past my seat, extra noise and light coming from the toilet doors opening say on a night flight, chatter while waiting for a loo to be free, increased pressure on keeping the toilets clean by the FAs and so on. You want the amenity - pay for it.

 

[Quickstatus]

I think we all know or should know how the system works

And it's likely to not change anytime soon unfortunately.

 

[FrustratedQP]

Conversation becoming a tad cough.. ?

Seen and heard it all before. You can never convince everyone. This is one of many threads on this issue.

 

[anat0l]

Conversation becoming a tad cough.. ?

...or going down the drain.

 

[anat0l]

And it's likely to not change anytime soon unfortunately.

Well, maybe not until they invent force fields which they can impose in place of curtains or cords to stop pax from going into cabin areas they are not supposed to.

Heck, a present day solution would be to make some sort of shock collar or accessory to be worn by every Y pax. Cross the line into the J cabin past an electric barrier fence, you get shocked. But if in an emergency, the power can be easily cut and the fence disables, or you can ask FAs to disable the collar temporarily for whatever purpose.

Before anyone gets all human rights and so on, this is entirely facetious.

 

[Daver6]

What if I'm in row 4 on a 737 and recline and don't recline my seat but keep the window shade open? Surely that should entitle me to use the J toilet? <tongue firmly in cheek>

 

[Flyerwin]

Power move. BYO loo.

 

[anat0l]

Power move. BYO loo.


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[jpp42]

Well, maybe not until they invent force fields which they can impose in place of curtains or cords to stop pax from going into cabin areas they are not supposed to.

If you go into the front cabin when not entitled to in the US, expect that you might find yourself arrested by an air marshal and after that, on a lifetime do-not-fly list. There is an element to this related to security, not just comfort of the premium pax.

 

[Quickstatus]

If you go into the front cabin when not entitled to in the US,

I've done that no issues. CC aware, no problems...

 

[DejaBrew]

On QF142 AKL-SYD the other day, the crew member servicing the J cabin on B737 kept the J toilet door locked except when a J pax moved to use it. Locked again when they exited. At least once, they serviced the loo after it was used.

Haven't seen this before, but on QF157 MEL>AKL last Friday, the crew were proactively directing Y pax to the rear toilets and checking the state of the J toilet - and cleaning if needed - whenever they saw J pax looking to use it. I think a few Y pax were given the all clear to use the toilet when the cart was blocking access to the rear of the aircraft (which is a sensible approach and something with which I have no issue).

When flying Y, I think it's fair to only expect access to the Y facilities. If circumstance means that this is impractical (e.g. cart blocking egress or urgency/situation dictates the need for rapid access), then I have zero issues with CC granting access.

 

[Hampton Mike]

I’m usually in Row 4. I always use the rear toilets. I have absolutely no expectation of anything else, and no sense of entitlement that, even as P1, I should be able to use the J loo.

On one occasion the CSM came back mid flight to say hi (thx for your loyalty etc) and said if I needed to use the loo to go to J. But I’d already been to the Y loo

 

[ols]

in fact anybody passing outside your house should be able to come inside and use the loo.

Knock, knock