Lost all trust in Qantas

Angela05

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Read this forum many times (great source of valuable information - thanks wise flyers) and posting for the first time to share my last 6 months of experience with Qantas.

Recently returned Australian expat. Qantas Lifetime Gold (42,000 status credits) from all the times I flew with Qantas prior to moving overseas. OneWorld Emerald and Star Alliance Gold so lots of experience with many airlines, pre, during and post COVID. Now back in Australia again I thought my preferred airline would be Qantas again.

First preference in making our international move to Australia was to fly Qantas. 4 one way J tickets. Qantas baggage allowance of 56kg vs 90kg with BA. Called Qantas to ask if they would match. Flat no as a answer.

Continued to fly Qantas. 8 flights in past 6 months - 4 international and 4 domestic. Most have been a bad experience.

1. First flight canceled, then the rebooked flight was delayed. Cabin supervisor announced over PA that they didn’t want to hear any complaints as ‘the crew were already having a having a bad day’. Missed the business meeting I was flying for.
2. Second flight delayed as too many pieces of hand baggage had been allowed on board. Aircrew annoyed with passengers.
3. 4th flight the first class check in desk was closed and long queue at business.
4. 5th flight told at check in there was a fee for bags (I had 1 bag on a business class ticket) and then downgraded from business to economy with no explanation, no apology, no refund in ticket cost.
5. 6th flight Qantas lost baggage, said I needed to wait until all bags were out (1 hour wait), then told me not to expect it returned in a hurry and pointed at a big pile of bags that they said were lost and they still had to process.

Sure things sometimes go wrong when travelling. But I trusted that Qantas would look after its customers. That no longer seems to be the case.

6. 7th and 8th flights - this is where it goes from bad to unacceptable service. Booked and paid an eye-watering sum of money with Qantas Service Centre. Qantas failed to issue tickets. 7 calls to customer service, multiple promised call backs that didn’t happen, 14 messages back on forth on Twitter, 2 complaints to Customer Care, emails to Qantas executive team. 15+ hours of my time spent trying to resolve this with Qantas over Christmas. No tickets, no refund, no apology. Next step is to seek refund and re-dress from ACA and Fair Trading.

Online booking system times out or returns errors. Frequent flyer system fails (every time) to link bookings to frequent flyer number. Lounges are closed prior to last flights leaving. Poor quality phone lines to services centres, too much background noise wherever the call centre agents are, placed on hold by agents for hours, and multiple hang ups. Each time need to explain the issue again as ‘for privacy reasons call centre agents can’t see the history‘. At the end the agents don’t seem to understand the issue and don’t resolve it.

This cannot possibly be the ‘Spirit of Australia’.
 
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Welcome to AFF @Angela05 . Unfortunately your experience is repeated it seems every day. They sometimes get things right but when they get them wrong their service recovery seems nonexistent.
Hang around I have a feeling that we will be seeing a lot more posts about moving on from QFF.
Doesn’t surprise me as I moved on in 2006.
 
Things reached a low with QF, although my experience has remained good, and I think on the way back based on the recovery of the recent 380 stop over in Baku.

I guess you should consider voting with your wallet and spend elsewhere as really that’s the only course of action when you don’t like passengers bringing on to much hand luggage.

But, I’ve found many of your issues on many airlines but we, Australians, offen hold QF to higher standard.
 
It was indeed bad all up.
Yea, I would also say put your flights to VA and SQ.
If QF had all Aust call centres, maybe that would have helped a bit, and if they didn't outsource a lot of things.
VA is not big either, but their partnership is good.
I feel things at QF will never change, as cost cutting with them began even prior to AJ's time there.
No idea of an exact solution, but as a SG, you are not high enough for them to worry.
They (QF) have caused me angst, in the past but not as severe as your case.
 
Things reached a low with QF, although my experience has remained good, and I think on the way back based on the recovery of the recent 380 stop over in Baku.

I guess you should consider voting with your wallet and spend elsewhere as really that’s the only course of action when you don’t like passengers bringing on to much hand luggage.

But, I’ve found many of your issues on many airlines but we, Australians, offen hold QF to higher standard.
Thanks BAM. I may have phrased it badly - i don’t mind the passengers - think Qantas could have taken cabin bags at the door on a full flight / once the overhead compartments are full - instead of letting it all on board, crew getting annoyed with the passengers, and delaying the flight sorting it out. Feels like the have forgotten how to fly…..
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It was indeed bad all up.
Yea, I would also say put your flights to VA and SQ.
If QF had all Aust call centres, maybe that would have helped a bit, and if they didn't outsource a lot of things.
VA is not big either, but their partnership is good.
I feel things at QF will never change, as cost cutting with them began even prior to AJ's time there.
No idea of an exact solution, but as a SG, you are not high enough for them to worry.
They (QF) have caused me angst, in the past but not as severe as your case.
Thanks. I am Star Alliance Gold so swapping to SQ easy. Flew with them multiple times during COVID (when Qantas was not flying) and they were great.

I appreciate SG is not high on the Qantas priority list (although OW Emerald should matter) - but Qantas shouldn’t be treating any passenger this way.

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Things reached a low with QF, although my experience has remained good, and I think on the way back based on the recovery of the recent 380 stop over in Baku.

I guess you should consider voting with your wallet and spend elsewhere as really that’s the only course of action when you don’t like passengers bringing on to much hand luggage.

But, I’ve found many of your issues on many airlines but we, Australians, offen hold QF to higher standard.
Yep. Baku looked like the response of the Qantas I remember.
 
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Cabin supervisor announced over PA that they didn’t want to hear any complaints as ‘the crew were already having a having a bad day’.
That sounds fairly unprofessional. On 2 of my flights recently they had a PA announcement that everyone is required to be kind to the crew and treat them with respect. I understand where they're coming from but the way it was delivered was like we were a plane full of naughty schoolchildren.
 
That sounds fairly unprofessional. On 2 of my flights recently they had a PA announcement that everyone is required to be kind to the crew and treat them with respect. I understand where they're coming from but the way it was delivered was like we were a plane full of naughty schoolchildren.
Which indicates frustration - has QF considered why their customers are frustrated?
 
We are in their eyes.


Yes but have decided that it is not the airline’s fault.


Respect as with loyalty is not reciprocal in the airline industry.

This attitude does seem to be pretty standard in the service industry now. Can’t walk into a store without a sign that says “treat us with respect!!!” Or “abuse will not be tolerated!!!”

Problem is that most in the service industry have decided a lack of “respect” is somebody not tolerating poor service and raising it with them. (I have no doubt some take it too far, but I’d say that’s the exception)
 
Welcome to AFF @Angela05

yeah they are some pretty poor experiences you've had (except for F checkin being closed. sounds like MEL possibly - it's been closed since MEL lost F service, but I digress).

I agree you can and should vote with your obviously considerable spend. Better service on airlines like SQ and so on if they suit your flying needs (and as you say you're *G so I'm sure Star can get you where you want to go).

Someone above did mention they thought things were improving with QF. I'd say in general over the past 3 or so months of my own experiences I'd generally agree.. but all you need is one poor (or 8+ !?!) experience and well... you've certainly given them a very good go.

I'd comment re the really poor "We don't want to hear your complaints" announcement... really poor and unprofessional.. obviously I wasn't there but it definitely sounds frustrated. I feel for the front line tech and cabin crews to a certain degree (heard at least two Captains make it pretty plain who they blamed for things like delays and bag issues). I mean the sad reality is that a lot of people DO take out their anger and frustration on the front line agents, cabin crew etc - even when cancels, lost bags etc is obviously not their fault. It doesn't excuse attitude mind you, but I bet when you're an easy target in that uniform for idiots to vent at (justified rage or not) it's got to eat at you after months and months no doubt. I always try to be polite to crews and agents. Again, no excusing that kind of announcement, but I'm sure thta crew may have also been shafted potentially. who knows. I'm willing to cut crews a bit of slack in this regard given what they probably have to put up with.
 
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Which indicates frustration - has QF considered why their customers are frustrated?
I used to work for a much malingned and loathed government dept. On entry into offices there were and are large signs "treat staff and fellow customers with respect " . Unfortunately some people decide to become loud, obnoxious and physical when things don't go their way (whether it is the company's or their own fault )
I have in the past made the mistake of intervening between two rather large tall people who were having a very heated discussion. I am well and truly on the fat /large size. They managed to punch me on the cheek good and proper. One of the people then passed out drunk on the floor, the other argued with the security guard about being evicted from the office .
 
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asks not only to treat crew with respect but also fellow passengers

Cabin crew are representatives of the airline at the coal face (and poorly paid for that responsibility) and will unfortunately get the raw end of the passenger's behaviour while the CEO sits comfortably in their offices. One reason that many people take it out on the cabin crew is because no one else in the company listens to their complaints. Most people don't arrive at their aircraft seat just wanting to take it out on the cabin crew. Many have been at the "receiving end" of the airline industry poor service or have heard from their friends about poor treatment by the airline in the leadup to their arrival at the aircraft seat. Customer service begins when they buy the ticket, not when they put their seat belt on. Cabin crew can do little to make up for any deficiencies by the company especially if this has occurred prior to the passenger putting their seat belt on.

I believe doing a PA like that is akin to pointing to the passenger as the source of disrespect, while at the same time ignoring the faults of the airline industry in contributing to that behaviour.

It goes without saying that all quarters should have mutual respect respect. but respect is also earned - maybe the airlines have lost their passenger' respect?. If so a PA like that does little to regain it.
 
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I don't disagree with passengers raising a complaint onboard.

I'm just saying that this particular PA came about from COVID and the various restrictions. It's no surprise that passenger incidents increased, not only here, but across the world. There was even a joint campaign from all airlines in Australia due to the number of increased incidents. Behaviours did change, but thankfully, as restrictions have lessened, the number of incidents has also reduced.
 
I'm just saying that this particular PA came about from COVID and the various restrictions
Whatever the reasons, Ive found myself (also being in a service customer facing industry) people become angry, disrespectful, when there is no outlet for their grievance right or wrong - and they are often wrong or have unrealistic expectations - especially when no one listens.

I try to see past the behaviour and try to understand the root cause.
@Angela05 listed 8 grievances. None have been resolved. Even with the best cabin crew service, nothing can be done because its not the cabin crew thats the problem. However a PA announcement to an onboard passenger with similar grievances may well be inflammatory.
 
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At the security checkpoint at Geraldton airport (I think one x-ray machine) there are three separate large signs with variations of messages to treat staff with respect, abuse won’t be tolerated etc etc. Fair enough but next to those three signs were the same three signs in repeat.

Six large signs. Really?

No where were any signs actually telling you what you needed to take in or take out to go through the security checkpoint. Maybe if they told people what was required at this individual checkpoint, the chance of passenger frustration and unacceptable behaviour might decrease. .
 

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