Major changes to Velocity Frequent Flyer announced 17/10/24

Will wait and see how far I end up from LTG but in my view the bigger issue is that it will cost ~$4800 to simply retain Gold status. It's hard to see the value there. For self-funded/leisure flyers it's probably cheaper to just buy a J seat or lounge access when you need it and at that point loyalty isn't a factor.
As mentioned airline, a VA lounge membership and Econ X seating is a hell of a lot cheaper.

If you’re flying international use points or $ to fly business (just be wary of “unbundled” lite fares on QR).
 
Will wait and see how far I end up from LTG but in my view the bigger issue is that it will cost ~$4800 to simply retain Gold status.
I'm not sure why everyone keeps assuming that double status credit offers and other bonus status credit offers will totally stop under the new scheme and they'll have to pay full fare to keep status. I think the shape of them might change (like they have in the last year), but I'm certain they'll continue.

A lot of people on this forum are getting to QF Gold/Platinum through bonus offers and paying far less than you normally would have to and working on the assumption that it'll continue to be the case.

I think it will continue to be the case for VA as well.
 
Even with DSC offers, retaining status on VA will be twice as expensive as now.

I retain VA WP now for about $3k during a DSC. Family pooling is crucial.

Now that will only get SG during a DSC promo and is only half way to getting/retaining WP. A quick look at the current QF DSC thread indicates that similar spend on QF comfortably gets gold too and with a bit more spend could almost retain WP. It's a pity QF doesn't have family pooling or it'd be a no-brainer but I know which SG I'd prefer and I'd be tempted to go for WP, especially if I could use points via PC+ to do it. I'm also now incentivised to direct spend in that direction too.

I hope the shape of the DSC offers will change too, preferably to look more like QF. The last VA DSC offer was targetted (mysteriously) and the flight window was end of Feb to end of June.
 
I'm not sure why everyone keeps assuming that double status credit offers and other bonus status credit offers will totally stop under the new scheme and they'll have to pay full fare to keep status. I think the shape of them might change (like they have in the last year), but I'm certain they'll continue.

A lot of people on this forum are getting to QF Gold/Platinum through bonus offers and paying far less than you normally would have to and working on the assumption that it'll continue to be the case.

I think it will continue to be the case for VA as well.

Haven't seen anyone assume that - the reference is just the new benchmark to earn, just as if the program had changed to require 2500 SCs for Gold that would be how people refer to it, regardless of any other temporary offers or bonuses that may arise.

Plus even under the current (old) program, no assumptions can be made about offers; some have come up only for a couple of months out, or restricted to different members, as well as coming up at different times. You make use of what's there, but nothing can be relied on or assumed.
 
I recently checked out the Webinar that @Matt Graham put together back in December last year regarding the changes to the VFF system. I hadn't bothered to look at it as I thought I was upto date with all the changes. However there was one thing that he mentioned that sort of threw another dagger into the system. Apparently they were planning to NOT include Family pooled points in the calculations. (either direction) However, my understanding is they (VFF) were going to have another look at that and hopefully include family pooling in the calculations. Has there been any update to that issue? I haven't seen or heard anything to date.
 
Apparently they were planning to NOT include Family pooled points in the calculations. (either direction) However, my understanding is they (VFF) were going to have another look at that and hopefully include family pooling in the calculations. Has there been any update to that issue? I haven't seen or heard anything to date.
That's not apparent - that's real, though not completely out of inclusion.

The new qualification criteria requires that 50% of the status credits earned (75% in the case of Platinum Plus) must be earned on your own flying. So someone who gets to 800 SC but has more than 400 of those SC due to Family Pooling won't qualify for Gold. These new requirements are published on VFF's website.

Haven't heard a thing about VFF reconsidering that requirement, but I suppose they always would be keeping an ear on the ground.
 
Yes, the 8 flight segment requirement is going away.

That said, for Platinum, instead of 8 VA segments, you need 500 SC on VA flights flown by you. A blind calculation of domestic or short haul international travel means you'd have to spend $6000 to get those 500 SC (assuming no SC bonus promos or the like, and of course more dollars if you only buy Lite fares). Even in Business, that $6000 is likely more than 8 segments (and remember that's just to get the 50% VA SCs required; you then need another 500 SC to actually get Platinum). For retention, it becomes $4800 for the prerequisite SCs.

Once VA flights on QR get up and running in earnest, you could get your prerequisite SCs in less than eight segments, but likely still a lot of money then: for example, SYD-DOH on VA/QR would earn 160 SCs in Business, so 2 return trips would easily get you the prerequisite SCs and then some on the way to / retaining Platinum, but that's not small scratch.
Thanks for the considered reply.
Personally, that doesn't seem too bad. the cost isn't bad for me. Just had a quick look at my business rewards for a 6 month period in 2024 - They only give 6 months data at a time.

$6900 spend across all employees - 308 Status earned by me - including about 8 fly buys status.
10 Choice fares, 1 Flex and 8 business.
Got another 225 status in october and november.

For renewal I need 5 x 80 status credit flights. In general, that would mean business per flight. I book those flights when the cost is around $500 for business and less than (or equal to) flex fare cost.
I'm already doing the spend level you mention, I kind of think I might be able to get the required 50% in less than 8 flights and at lower cost. Could be wrong- just a felling based on the vibe of it.

Of course, the value in Velocity for me seems to be redemption availability of QR
 
I got my account export from Velocity and it was quite entertaining to see old VA domestic flights from over 10 years ago plus a handful of Delta and Air New Zealand flights. Whilst I have no where near the 12,000 credits needed it's amusing knowing they'll be included on my progress to lifetime gold.
Do you have to request that from them, or is it possible on line.
 
For renewal I need 5 x 80 status credit flights. In general, that would mean business per flight. I book those flights when the cost is around $500 for business and less than (or equal to) flex fare cost.
I'm already doing the spend level you mention, I kind of think I might be able to get the required 50% in less than 8 flights and at lower cost. Could be wrong- just a felling based on the vibe of it.
Just to make sure you're not misinterpreting me (or I'm not misunderstanding you), keep in mind that any bookings after 1 April (i.e. in a week's time) will earn SCs based on the new spend-based calculation.

Based on your example (taking a guess, because I don't know where you're based and what flights you typically catch), 80 SC currently is a Business class flight on "medium" domestic, e.g. MEL/BNE. If that was the flight that cost $500 (side note: $500 for 80 SC is excellent value), that same flight under the new system would earn you 41.67 SC (or 42 SC if they round up), i.e. in the new system, status credit earn on domestic VA is 1 SC per $12, except for Lite fares where it's 1 SC per $24.

International flights on QR and other carriers but with a VA flight number would use a new distance/class table, with all the SCs earned reduced in quite a number of cases.

The new requirement of "50% SCs required to be flown by you" (75% for Platinum Plus) actually doesn't kick in until 1 October this year. Before then, you still need your eligible sectors, but family pool all you like.
 
That's not apparent - that's real, though not completely out of inclusion.

The new qualification criteria requires that 50% of the status credits earned (75% in the case of Platinum Plus) must be earned on your own flying. So someone who gets to 800 SC but has more than 400 of those SC due to Family Pooling won't qualify for Gold. These new requirements are published on VFF's website.

Haven't heard a thing about VFF reconsidering that requirement, but I suppose they always would be keeping an ear on the ground.
Sorry, my reference was to do with Forever Gold (FG) which I failed to mention. I just double checked the Webinar and at time stamp 12:50 @Matt Graham mentions that VA are reconsidering family pooled points to be used to calculate FG. As it stands at the time of the Webinar neither the beneficiary or the contributor can use the points to go towards their FG calculations. (unless of course it has changed since the Webinar was released)
 
Sorry, my reference was to do with Forever Gold (FG) which I failed to mention. I just double checked the Webinar and at time stamp 12:50 @Matt Graham mentions that VA are reconsidering family pooled points to be used to calculate FG. As it stands at the time of the Webinar neither the beneficiary or the contributor can use the points to go towards their FG calculations. (unless of course it has changed since the Webinar was released)

The webinar references a conversation that I had with Nick Rohrlach on the Travel Pointers podcast in December 2024:


Nick took our question on board and said it was something they were looking into, but as yet there haven't been any changes announced.
 
LG is just that - GOLD.

Near 6 months on, this poorly planned thought bubble STILL has not been ironed out if pooling might at some point be added. Elite members hate vague and rubbery aspirational goals to spend money chasing - often their own dime, not the bosses dime.

It is not Virgin Platinum, nor the new Virgin Platinum Plus level. It is GOLD. No annual upgrade certificates etc.

It will be about as useful as Hilton Gold. Slightly handy, but not the bees knees, but a modest reward for loyalty to Hilton, and keeps many loyal. Works well for both parties.

Handing out Lifetime Gold cards to folks who've been loyal in past year costs Virgin ZERO. Indeed right now it might MAKE them money.

The only benefit the Gold card flyer gets is when they SPEND MONEY on Virgin tickets.

Given a large chunk of once very contented Virgin Elites will now from next week simply book the cheapest tickets - always Jetstar, and often Qantas, or using points - Virgin gets zero revenue - in a year when they plan to have an IPO.

Virgin brass glibly assuming most existing folks will spend ~$5000 a year to get Gold Velocity, are just living on Planet Zog.

United have a simple system, and Virgin should have learned from their Big Brother Partner, who have had a smooth and easy to understand system for 10-15 years.

Fly 1 MILLION miles and get Lifetime Gold, fly 2 MILLION and get Virgin Platinum type level, and fly 3 MILLION and get Platinum Plus essentially. Simple to follow, and aspirational.

Better still, ALL United levels include a nominated partner at the same level. Some minor fine-tuning of that part has occurred thus month, but it stays unchanged for most. I earned it 10-15 years back and that gives me free Virgin Lounge entry, priority bags and boarding etc, but most here do not have it, so need to live with this thought bubble we now face.

As Virgin have had no real overseas network to speak of in recent years, clearly these miles targets are changed to SC targets. But they do need to re-adjust their past earnings parameters to get LG.

Adding family pooling into the mix makes good sense. They can grandfather that for the initial launch, and of course at any time adjust the rules for future earnings after this new level beds in. Simple.

From next week when the Penny drops for many, that the goal posts have moved markedly, there will be much unrest. And many will book cheapest fares only going forward. And keeping a chunk of past loyal fliers happy with Gold cards will assuage many, and stop them booking Jetstar etc, losing Virgin heaps of money a year. MANY on this thread have stated that exact intention.

As Virgin domestic market share slides each month, as it clearly will, that IPO gets far less rosy to investors. And the ONLY thing Bain cares about is that IPO and the trucks of money it will bring - once that is done and dusted, they are on their palamino pony out of town searching for the next near Corporate Corpse to try and resurrect.

They could hand out 10,000-50,000 extra Gold cards at zero cost to themselves. :D
 
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Just to make sure you're not misinterpreting me (or I'm not misunderstanding you), keep in mind that any bookings after 1 April (i.e. in a week's time) will earn SCs based on the new spend-based calculation.

Based on your example (taking a guess, because I don't know where you're based and what flights you typically catch), 80 SC currently is a Business class flight on "medium" domestic, e.g. MEL/BNE. If that was the flight that cost $500 (side note: $500 for 80 SC is excellent value), that same flight under the new system would earn you 41.67 SC (or 42 SC if they round up), i.e. in the new system, status credit earn on domestic VA is 1 SC per $12, except for Lite fares where it's 1 SC per $24.
Thanks for the clarification and guidance. My cost and status estimate was very much based on the vibe of the thing, the constitution, mabo - yeah the vibe.. In general, ~$500 is my limit for any domestic leg.

Have double checked for completeness. one 80 SC flight in Oct 2024 was BNE-ADL (so yeah medium. Business rewards statement says $484+cc fee. Plus, I did change it at a cost of $180.
The return was $466. but I changed that for $300 and went via Syd for 110 status.

Anyway, as you point out this is irrelevant with the change.
 
The webinar references a conversation that I had with Nick Rohrlach on the Travel Pointers podcast in December 2024:


Nick took our question on board and said it was something they were looking into, but as yet there haven't been any changes announced.
Thanks for update....I guess time will tell. :)
 
We only fly J domestically if possible and VA is cheaper nearly every single time and often substantially less than QF so VA will still get all our leisure travel domestically going forward

Most people don't only book J fares domestically though. And if they do, gold status has marginal benefits for them - and isn't likely the incentive getting them to book. So the program changes aren't likely for that market.
 
It also doesn't help when partner airlines change with little notice... you can book flights on a partner airline (even with a VA flight code as will be required under the new rules) say 6 months in advance in good faith based on existing partnerships, then 3 months out bam the partnership is gone, and those SCs you were counting on aren't coming anymore. Bad luck.
 
fly 2 MILLION and get Virgin Platinum type level,
Done that, don't fly UA any more (but lifetime *G is useful).
many will book cheapest fares only going forward.
That's me. VA will live to regret these silly changes (if they manage to survive for more than a few years). Sure, Bain thinks it might have won the lottery with getting QR on board, but QR is only interested in one thing. That is flying more of their metal to OZ. Bain have been useful idiots here, and I wouldn't be surprised if in due course, VA gets spat out in the process (perhaps when a friendlier Govt to QR is in place).
 
Agree, I still feel all these totally negative large program changes THIS year of all years, are dumber than dirt for Virgin. And many here concur very clearly.

HEAPS of folks nationally will simply fly Jetstar, use miles, or at worst, book only Lite fares when they finally wake up to the real changes. Masses of once loyal and happy Virgin flyers have not had the Penny Drop yet, that it will now cost them ~$5000 a year to keep Gold etc.

All this loses Virgin money - and all will manifest itself in a short period of time.

This changes will NOT make them extra money overall, that is the weird thing. Had they touched nothing at Velocity until the IPO, market share would have stayed about the same. Now it will clearly drop, weakening that juicy IPO pot of money.

All Bain want is cash, and to ride out of town carrying as much of it in their American saddlebags as they can fit in.

The SMART thing to do if anyone in there reads the wind, is the loosening of many of the crazy LG rules, and hand out a lot more LG cards than they budgeted for. FAST. That costs them zero, and will placate many, and plugs the dike a bit.

Add in Family Pooling, and remove the loopy '75% must be Virgin flights' wording, and many past very loyal flyers will make the cut. Give a lot of folks shiny LG cards, and they will not be galloping over to Jetstar/Qantas. Human nature. Carrot and Stick - right now there is just stick.

Seems like the LG scheme is not totally set in stone now, and THIS is the time to ease off, on some of the fine details to stem some inevitable bleeding of revenue and paid seats during 2025. The more loyal Virgin Elite tier flyers urge this to be loosened up, the higher the chance it will be reviewed. :D
 
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