More 'Simpler and Fairer' ™

[kevrosmith]

Perth is defined as west coast or north west coast. Strangely matching standard geographical norms. Adelaide on the other hand is defined as east coast in defiance of geographical orthodoxy.

Makes me wonder why didn't they just use terms like "Zone 1" and "Zone 2" to take away any confusion with real/standard/normal geographic conventions.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Makes me wonder why didn't they just use terms like "Zone 1" and "Zone 2" to take away any confusion with real/standard/normal geographic conventions.

Or just leave earns based on miles flown which is simple, fair, clear, unambiguous, incapable of misinterpretation, and easy to understand.

 

[medhead]

Well "north west coast" doesn't match any geographical norms or realities. Perth is about as far north as Sydney.

There is a silent 'and' in north west coast.

But the north west coast and west coast terms are yet another confusing inconsistency in the earning structure terminology.

Or just leave earns based on miles flown which is simple, fair, clear, unambiguous, incapable of misinterpretation, and easy to understand.

But then they couldn't screw over the customers.

 

[Mr_Orange]

It's on the east coast of the North American land mass, it really should earn the same as LAX.

It seems fairly clear to me that the monkeys that designed the new system only thought about existing origin/destination pairs and cmopletely neglected how they would extend it to new routes.

I wonder what SFO will earn if they restart flights.

 

[serfty]

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I wonder what SFO will earn if they restart flights.

Assuming SFO remains part of the USofA then at least 180 SC's.

I received a S&F™ surprise earlier this year when a MIA-NAS in Y (Fare bucket) earned only 10SC's. Subsequent investigation revealed it could have easily been 5 SC's.

 

[medhead]

It's on the east coast of the North American land mass, it really should earn the same as LAX.

It seems fairly clear to me that the monkeys that designed the new system only thought about existing origin/destination pairs and cmopletely neglected how they would extend it to new routes.

I wonder what SFO will earn if they restart flights.

I'm actually surprised that the earning buckets aren't internally consistent. Oz-LAX is an ultra long haul distance category. Why does it earn more? It would have been simpler and fairer to cut the earning for flights to LAX.

Also still waiting for the re-pricing (downwards) of awards in line with the simpler and fairer system. - This is for the special Red Roos to read.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Also still waiting for the re-pricing (downwards) of awards in line with the simpler and fairer system.

Didn't they "upgrade" upgrade pricing at about the same time? For domestic upgrades from discount Y.

 

[opusman]

This is for the special Red Roos to read.

I suspect Red Roos don't read the threads where they have nothing positive they could say.

 

[medhead]

Didn't they "upgrade" upgrade pricing at about the same time? For domestic upgrades from discount Y.

Not sure. I'm referring to awards, not upgrades

I suspect Red Roos don't read the threads where they have nothing positive they could say.

I suspect there are some that read a lot more than we think.

 

[Fantic125]

AFAIK Only Perth is excluded from "East Coast Australia" and only for the purpose of giving us fewer points and SCs for PER-DXB.

DRW is also considered North West Australia.

 

[RooFlyer]

Or just leave earns based on miles flown which is simple, fair, clear, unambiguous, incapable of misinterpretation, and easy to understand.

Your logic is irresistible. However its completely against the spirit and intent of Simpler & Fairer™ in just about every aspect.

 

[moa999]

esseeeayeenn[/B];1184209]AFAIK Only Perth is excluded from "East Coast Australia" and only for the purpose of giving us fewer points and SCs for PER-DXB..

PER-DXB is also a darn lot shorter than East Coast to DXB so should earn less points/ SCs

PER-DXB - 5624m
SYD-DXB - 7491m - 33% more than PER
MEL-DXB - 7243m - 29% more than PER


While I kinda get what Qantas was trying to do with this 'simplification' - by making it easy for people not having to look up distances before calculating earn, there are just to many categories, and too many exceptions...

The "fairer" bit is sort of there with the more expensive QF buckets earning slightly more, albeit counteracted (from most heres perspective) by non-QF on "loosely competing routes" earning half

 

[esseeeayeenn]

PER-DXB is also a darn lot shorter than East Coast to DXB so should earn less points/ SCs

In which case it should be a darn lot cheaper. But it isn't. The fares are basically the same.
I can't post proof of this at the moment as the QF website isn't working properly.

The spin of Simpler and Fairer was aligning earnings with the fare paid, rather than the distance flown.
Your point would be consistent with my proposal, but not with the new QF logic.

 

[Spongbob]

In which case it should be a darn lot cheaper. But it isn't. The fares are basically the same.
I can't post proof of this at the moment as the QF website isn't working properly.

The spin of Simpler and Fairer was aligning earnings with the fare paid, rather than the distance flown.
Your point would be consistent with my proposal, but not with the new QF logic.

It does seem odd that PER-DXB is about the same price as MEL/SYD-DXB. It seems even more strange that a return booking PER-MEL-DXB on QF metal is about the same price as PER-DXB on the QF codeshare. Maybe Qantas think Perth is a captive market and thus can have such a price regime?

 

[esseeeayeenn]

It does seem odd that PER-DXB is about the same price as MEL/SYD-DXB. It seems even more strange that a return booking PER-MEL-DXB on QF metal is about the same price as PER-DXB on the QF codeshare.

Last September it was marginally cheaper for me to fly PER-SYD-DXB-CPH and then return MAD-DXB-SYD-PER than it would have been to fly PER-DXB-CPH MAD-DXB-PER.
So of course I jumped at the extra 250 status credits!
Which helped me get my bonus at 2400 SCs.

Maybe Qantas think Perth is a captive market and thus can have such a price regime?

I don't think Qantas (international) thinks about Perth at all.

 

[wandering_fred]

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I don't think Qantas (international) thinks about Perth at all.

There would be a certain portion of the FF community that would think you comment would be better stated as

"I don't think Qantas (international) thinks"

Just saying but I wander too much

Fred

 

[QPProletarian]

It seems to be consistently a hundred £ cheaper ex UK.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

It seems to be consistently a hundred £ cheaper ex UK.

At least in part because taxes and charges departing Australian airports are higher.
Surprisingly high. If you are in a position to see a breakdown of ID ticket prices you can see how high.
So high that on most domestic sectors the taxes and charges component of ID tickets is higher than the fare component.

 

[markis10]

At least in part because taxes and charges departing Australian airports are higher.
Surprisingly high. If you are in a position to see a breakdown of ID ticket prices you can see how high.
So high that on most domestic sectors the taxes and charges component of ID tickets is higher than the fare component.

I believe the example is for UK-PER return being cheaper than PER-UK return, in which there is zero difference attributable to taxes in any particular country.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

To be honest I can't see any indication of what the "it" referred to actually was!