My Health Record

[Pushka]

Interesting to hear on AM this morning.

6 million MHRs in existence, system running for 6 years.

I look forward to seeing my own MHR posted up on the internet if all this paranoia about 'security' is true. Enjoy.

Mines been up for years. But there is nothing posted.

 

[RooFlyer]

Mines been up for years. But there is nothing posted.

I was facitiously referring to all this hacking and data stealing thats apparently going to happen

Edit: ah, you probably appreciated that!

 

[Pushka]

I was facitiously referring to all this hacking and data stealing thats apparently going to happen

Edit: ah, you probably appreciated that!

I’m not worried about the hacking thing so much but the privacy issue is giving me some rethinking. We need to know exactly who will have access to data. Legally.

 

[drron]

Indeed Pushka.Section 70 of the act.
"The System Operator is authorised to use or disclose health information included in a healthcare recipient's My Health Record if the System Operator reasonably believes that the use or disclosure is reasonably necessary for one or more of the following things done by, or on behalf of, an enforcement body:

(a) the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution or punishment of criminal offences, breaches of a law imposing a penalty or sanction or breaches of a prescribed law;

(b) the enforcement of laws relating to the confiscation of the proceeds of crime;

(c) the protection of the public revenue;

(d) the prevention, detection, investigation or remedying of seriously improper conduct or prescribed conduct;

(e) the preparation for, or conduct of, proceedings before any court or tribunal, or implementation of the orders of a court or tribunal."

 

[UP4014]

Indeed Pushka.Section 70 of the act.
"The System Operator is authorised to use or disclose health information included in a healthcare recipient's My Health Record if the System Operator reasonably believes that the use or disclosure is reasonably necessary for one or more of the following things done by, or on behalf of, an enforcement body:

(a) the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution or punishment of criminal offences, breaches of a law imposing a penalty or sanction or breaches of a prescribed law;

(b) the enforcement of laws relating to the confiscation of the proceeds of crime;

(c) the protection of the public revenue;

(d) the prevention, detection, investigation or remedying of seriously improper conduct or prescribed conduct;

(e) the preparation for, or conduct of, proceedings before any court or tribunal, or implementation of the orders of a court or tribunal."

Anyone of which on their own is a good enough reason for me to opt out.

 

[Dr Ralph]

Indeed Pushka.Section 70 of the act.
"The System Operator is authorised to use or disclose health information included in a healthcare recipient's My Health Record if the System Operator reasonably believes that the use or disclosure is reasonably necessary for one or more of the following things done by, or on behalf of, an enforcement body:

(a) the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution or punishment of criminal offences, breaches of a law imposing a penalty or sanction or breaches of a prescribed law;

(b) the enforcement of laws relating to the confiscation of the proceeds of crime;

(c) the protection of the public revenue;

(d) the prevention, detection, investigation or remedying of seriously improper conduct or prescribed conduct;

(e) the preparation for, or conduct of, proceedings before any court or tribunal, or implementation of the orders of a court or tribunal."

Utterly unacceptable and completely contrary to the needs to have such a health records system. Opt out now!

 

[Pushka]

What are you thoughts about all this @RooFlyer? While I’m not worried about access to data from the above people personally I do not consider they should have access as a matter of principle.

I seem to have done a backflip! See, I do listen to reasonable argument.

 

[kpc]

Indeed Pushka.Section 70 of the act.
"The System Operator is authorised to use or disclose health information included in a healthcare recipient's My Health Record if the System Operator reasonably believes that the use or disclosure is reasonably necessary for one or more of the following things done by, or on behalf of, an enforcement body:

(a) the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution or punishment of criminal offences, breaches of a law imposing a penalty or sanction or breaches of a prescribed law;

(b) the enforcement of laws relating to the confiscation of the proceeds of crime;

(c) the protection of the public revenue;

(d) the prevention, detection, investigation or remedying of seriously improper conduct or prescribed conduct;

(e) the preparation for, or conduct of, proceedings before any court or tribunal, or implementation of the orders of a court or tribunal."

You should be opting out for any of the reasons above!

 

[RooFlyer]

What are you thoughts about all this @RooFlyer? While I’m not worried about access to data from the above people personally I do not consider they should have access as a matter of principle.
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Social scare du jour. Superior knowledge signal of the moment.

OMG the worlds gunna end because my health records (or, as I found out when I actually sat down with my GP and looked at the damn thing - the records of his that I choose to be uploaded) are in a Government database.

It's gunna get hacked! It's gunna go to the police! It's gunna, well, it's gunna, ummmm it's gunna be BAD .

So bloody what. As I said above, if all those 'antis' above applied the same arguments and logic to the rest of their recorded lives ( tax, health insurance, Facebook and so on) they'd just stay in a foetal position in bed.

If people want to opt out, that's their business, I couldn't give a stuff quite frankly. Their loss if the poo hits the fan and a treating emergency doctor does something leathally contra indicated to their known medical history. At least their heath data was safely tucked away in their GPs office. That's the important thing .

I expect like all these scare campaigns we get subject to, it'll settle down, changes will be made, the taxpayer will pay more and life will go on.

 

[Steady]

I couldn't give a stuff quite frankly

Your posts in this thread suggest otherwise

 

[RooFlyer]

Your posts in this thread suggest otherwise

No, I really couldn't care less if people opt out.

What gets my goat are these scares that propogate from time to time.

I can respect those that might opt out having considered the relevant facts and dispassionately weighed the pros and cons. Anyone who hasn't talked to their GP about this has NOT considered all the pros.

But many are just evoking social scares pure and simple. I put the pure alarmist types in the same boat as antivaxers.

 

[UP4014]

I asked, my Doctor just this Wednesday said he was opting out and suggested I should too.

 

[RooFlyer]

Go for it! I hope you and he discussed why it was the thing to do in your particular case.

Line edited.

 

[UP4014]

In my particular case like many it was too many people who shouldn't will have access. If you have an emergency then they will be restarting your heart or stopping the blood loss. Nobody in emergency will be asking what flu medication you had last year. Once the info is wrong always wrong.

My retired doctor mother has asked me to opt her out, but as a 40 year veteran with the NSW health department and always having worked in public health she has seen to much abuse of the system.

 

[Pushka]

In my particular case like many it was too many people who shouldn't will have access. If you have an emergency then they will be restarting your heart or stopping the blood loss. Nobody in emergency will be asking what flu medication you had last year. Once the info is wrong always wrong.

My retired doctor mother has asked me to opt her out (she is no net savvy person) but as a 40 year veteran with the NSW health department and always having worked in public health she has seen to much abuse of the system.

I think if you have a chronic condition then having an online health record makes perfect sense. I’m thinking penicillin or another anaphylaxis type response to anything, blood disorder, acute illness etc etc. I don’t think anyone is thinking that flu shots are relevant here .

But as a counterbalance is the list of people who have nothing to do with your medical treatment who have access. That is a whole new thing.

 

[UP4014]

I think if you have a chronic condition then having an online health record makes perfect sense. I’m thinking penicillin or another anaphylaxis type response to anything, blood disorder, acute illness etc etc. I don’t think anyone is thinking that flu shots are relevant here .

But as a counterbalance is the list of people who have nothing to do with your medical treatment who have access. That is a whole new thing.

Having a chronic condition only makes sense under certain circumstances.

The whole program needs to be an opt IN system, there would be zero discussion and people who had conditions could decide. It also should be a system you can opt in and out of at any time you wish.

 

[RooFlyer]

In my particular case like many it was too many people who shouldn't will have access. If you have an emergency then they will be restarting your heart or stopping the blood loss. Nobody in emergency will be asking what flu medication you had last year. Once the info is wrong always wrong.

My retired doctor mother has asked me to opt her out, but as a 40 year veteran with the NSW health department and always having worked in public health she has seen to much abuse of the system.

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You having considered it, I give you 10/10 (for whatever that's worth! ).

Its not last year's flu medication that might be an issue. Its more likely to be about rare allergies, mixed medications, presence of anti-coagulants and the like. I agree that in an emergency, there are priorities, but if someone wants to argue that having a patient's health record in front of them from the start when they have a complex/unusual health/medicine patient in front of them (and if the patient is unable to communicate, who's to know?), as opposed to doing new screening tests and waiting for those outcomes, then I would respectfully have to express severe reservations.

I'm not saying the doctor would take the health record at 100% face value, but without it, it would be like starting a cross-country race in the dark without a map and having to feel your way at first and wait an hour or so until light begins to appear to make confident progress, versus having a map and being able to head off in the right direction with minimal delay. You both may make it to the end, but one journey will be shorter and very likely more comfortable than the other.

Weigh this against the chance of something happening to your MHR multiplied by the chance that whatever happens actually matters (eg: police access it - so what?) multiplied by the chance that there's a negative outcome from it.

 

[UP4014]

Weigh this against the chance of something happening to your MHR multiplied by the chance that whatever happens actually matters (eg: police access it - so what?) multiplied by the chance that there's a negative outcome from it.

I have weighed it up and opting out. Starts with police and progresses on to others. THe police or anyone else doesnt need to check anything before they deal with me.

I think those opting in haven't weighed everything up and are naive about government promises on security and purpose.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Needs a lot of work.
Opting out just now for myself and all of my family.

 

[RooFlyer]

<snip>
I think those opting in haven't weighed everything up and are naive about government promises on security and purpose.

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Edit:

You having considered it, I give you 10/10 0/10 (for whatever that's worth! ). <snip>

Can't debate those citing fear of government secret agendas.