New Qantas route - PER to JNB QF65/QF66

[Notyourbag]

From 1-Nov-2022
3x weekly
330-300

QF65 will depart Perth at noon and arrive in Johannesburg at 5.15pm and the return service, QF66, will depart Johannesburg at 7.20pm and arrive in Perth at 11.15am the next day.

 

[exceladdict]

From 1-Nov-2022
3x weekly
330-300

QF65 will depart Perth at noon and arrive in Johannesburg at 5.15pm and the return service, QF66, will depart Johannesburg at 7.20pm and arrive in Perth at 11.15am the next day.

Most interested as to what this means for QF's long term plans on moving over to T1 at PER, or indeed whether that's still on the cards or not.

 

[docjames]

A map from the Great Circle Mapper

A map from the Great Circle Mapper

www.gcmap.com

Going to need quite some diversion to stay ETOPS180 (assume that’s what the 330 has).

If it’s 240min then less diversion required (but slog into headwind a factor).

A map from Great Circle Mapper

A map from Great Circle Mapper

www.gcmap.com

 

[oz_mark]

Most interested as to what this means for QF's long term plans on moving over to T1 at PER, or indeed whether that's still on the cards or not.

Perth Airport still want Qantas to relocate and then to demolish T3/T4. As far as I know, they are largely arguing over funding/pricing etc

 

[sudoer]

Perth-Johannesburg service next up for Qantas

Qantas is close to announcing a new three-times weekly flight to Johannesburg from Perth from November 1 this year in a major travel boost for Western Australia.

thewest.com.au

A Qantas spokesman said; “Qantas is always looking at new routes and Perth-Johannesburg is one we’ve had our eye on for some time.

“There are still a some hurdles we need to clear, including coming to an agreement with Perth Airport, before we would be confident we could make this route a success.”

A Perth Airport spokesman said: “We are looking forward to the launch of the new Perth-Rome service this weekend and we are happy to continue discussions with Qantas about a potential Johannesburg service.”

 

[HS-TQE]

Have they sorted the QF vs PER dispute (trying to get the JNB flight to leave from the QF international wing of their terminal) with this particular flight? I do recall the PER CEO was trying to rebuild their 'international network', alongside Premier McGowan's allocated state incentives.

 

[OZDUCK]

Have they sorted the QF vs PER dispute (trying to get the JNB flight to leave from the QF international wing of their terminal) with this particular flight? I do recall the PER CEO was trying to rebuild their 'international network', alongside Premier McGowan's allocated state incentives.

From what I can recall, so far QF has been mainly on the losing side in the courts over the various disputes but appeals have been lodged.The move of terminals seems as far away as ever.

 

[HS-TQE]

Just found this article now, GT is 'expecting' the announcement that the upcoming PER-JNB service 'may likely' depart from QF's T3.

Slightly offtopic, GT's also banging on about a 2nd PER-LHR, which of course is unlikely.

Perth-Johannesburg service next up for Qantas

Qantas is close to announcing a new three-times weekly flight to Johannesburg from Perth from November 1 this year in a major travel boost for Western Australia.

thewest.com.au

 

[Mattg]

It's official.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-to-expand-perth-gateway-with-flights-to-johannesburg-and-jakarta/

From 1 November, Qantas will operate the only direct service from Perth to South Africa, operating three return flights per week on its Airbus A330 aircraft.

The flights will cut more than six hours from the fastest current travel time, with customers heading to Johannesburg from Perth currently having to fly on Qantas via Sydney, or via the Middle East.

With a large South African community in Perth, the flights are expected to be popular with people visiting family and friends as well as business and leisure travellers. The route will also offer convenient one-stop connections for people travelling to and from other Australian cities.

Qantas’ existing four flights per week from Sydney to Johannesburg on its Boeing 787 aircraft have had strong bookings since they recommenced in January this year and will increase to daily from 30 October.

PER-JNB fares start from $1,800 return.

 

[HS-TQE]

Both routes partially subsidised by the WA Government and Perth Airport under the 'Reconnecting WA' package. The WA equivalent of NSW/Queensland's Attracting Aviation Investment Fund (AAIF)

 

[NamarrgonFlyer]

Thought this way may have been an alternative route into South America, quite surprising there are no flights at all from South Africa to anywhere in South America looking at flight connections.

 

[exceladdict]

Big ex-pat SA community in WA that would prefer to fly QF direct than go via ME3 - that said, some of them used to fly QF via SYD to avoid SAA. I imagine this will be very popular with post-covid VFR demand (and would argue the WA govt investment is unnecessary).

However CGK is different and interesting and possibly justifies taxpayer $ to invest in connections with Indonesia. Does QF interline/sell connections within Indonesia from previous flights there (ex-SYD iirc?)?

 

[HS-TQE]

QF interlines with GA, same with VA.
However no FF benefits on one or the other depending on who you book with.

 

[papeto]

Had a look at prices for December travel - Economy $3.251, business $ 9,597 - 22 Dec to 3 Jan. Yikes! So Qantas is protecting its money making route. I flew in Feb Syd to Jnb and cabin staff noted that this flight and syd to Mumbai had the highest load factors. Hope we get some kind on competion soon.

 

[AIRwin]

I flew in Feb Syd to Jnb and cabin staff noted that this flight and syd to Mumbai had the highest load factors.

SYD-DEL (not BOM?) did not continue though...

 

[papeto]

Yes your right. I knew it was the new flight to India, but couldn’t remember the exact destination

 

[jakeseven7]

Perth Airport still want Qantas to relocate and then to demolish T3/T4. As far as I know, they are largely arguing over funding/pricing etc

WA Government is on QF’s side which is pissing PER off significantly. Bless

Big ex-pat SA community in WA that would prefer to fly QF direct than go via ME3 - that said, some of them used to fly QF via SYD to avoid SAA. I imagine this will be very popular

Agree, my parents are thrilled no more back tracking

 

[Cheatah]

If WA Gov was on QF's side they would have built the new train station closer to T3/T4!

Good to see taxpayer money funding more QF flights. I'm sure the net income to WA from the spending any additional travellers these direct flights generate is way more than what we are giving to QF. Of course.

 

[Notyourbag]

If WA Gov was on QF's side they would have built the new train station closer to T3/T4!

Good to see taxpayer money funding more QF flights. I'm sure the net income to WA from the spending any additional travellers these direct flights generate is way more than what we are giving to QF. Of course.

Pretty sure the new Redcliffe station will be walking distance to Terminal 3/4?

 

[JohnM]

Pretty sure the new Redcliffe station will be walking distance to Terminal 3/4?

Anything is within walking distance if you are prepared to walk- and walk...

My recollection is that this was always a criticism of the train route - but that it was to become irrelevant once all main services moved over to the T1 side.