New United BNE-SFO route from October 2022

[ozstamps]

$$$ Millions of Queensland taxpayer monies p!ssed against the wall, to subsidise and underpin this route that clearly will never work for them financially.

Years back, United cancelled the direct MEL-USA flights as even they did not make money! United tried BNE-USA 20 years back and of course it flopped then too. BNE (or ADL) zero chance of making any money unless Anastasia Government keeps tossing money at it.

On another note this piece interested me.

 

[Mattg]

$$$ Millions of Queensland taxpayer monies p!ssed against the wall, to subsidise and underpin this route that clearly will never work for them financially.

How do you know this route will "clearly never work for them financially"? Tickets only just went on sale and the first flight is still more than four months away.

VA was able to fill a daily 777 from BNE-LAX pre-covid, and there's now a gap there which hasn't yet been filled by another airline.

Plus with BNE being a VA hub, SFO being a UA hub and VA codesharing on the service, there's lots of potential connectivity on both ends.

 

[ozstamps]

Are you a betting man?

UA will fly to BNE as long as Anastasia's cheque book says it will. And not a day longer.

 

[Mattg]

Are you a betting man?

UA will fly to BNE as long as Anastasia's cheque book says it will. And not a day longer.

Maybe, maybe not. It's too early to say when the route literally only went on sale yesterday.

Personally I don't think the BNE-SFO route is fundamentally flawed for the reasons I've outlined above. Will United find a more profitable route to deploy a 787-9 when the QLD government funding stops? We'll see.

 

[Tealbirds]

Yes, UA 816/815 definitely did LAX- SYD-BNE-SYD-LAX using 747-400 in the early 90's

 

[jase05]

Are you a betting man?

UA will fly to BNE as long as Anastasia's cheque book says it will. And not a day longer.

Depends on freight loadings. At current costs they could make it a quite profitable route

 

[UP4014]

Are you a betting man?

UA will fly to BNE as long as Anastasia's cheque book says it will. And not a day longer.

How much is the Govt spending?

 

[HS-TQE]

Yes, UA 816/815 definitely did LAX- SYD-BNE-SYD-LAX using 747-400 in the early 90's

Interesting. So it looks like the SYD-BNE tag on UA was "on and off during the 90s" before being dropped by 94?

 

[HS-TQE]

Maybe, maybe not. It's too early to say when the route literally only went on sale yesterday.

Personally I don't think the BNE-SFO route is fundamentally flawed for the reasons I've outlined above. Will United find a more profitable route to deploy a 787-9 when the QLD government funding stops? We'll see.

There are also the European Summer Seasonal markets where the 789s switch to Asia for the NW.

Taking into consideration many of the Asian markets are offline (mostly in China) and won't be back on for a while, plus the gradual return of the PW 772s. they'd have to deploy the surplus 789s somewhere.

Due to the Asian markets being offline for the NW, this leaves an opening to allocate at least 1 789 to BNE for NW season. Which enabled UA to inform the Queensland Government / BAC that there is at least 1 aircraft available for the partial subsidised service.

 

[ozstamps]

Will United find a more profitable route to deploy a 787-9 when the QLD government funding stops? We'll see.

We certainly will. My money is firmly on BYE-BYE BRISBANE.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Now loaded. Mid morning departure ex-BNE (connecting to the morning hub bank in SFO) and late evening departure from SFO.

Interesting to say it states that UA previously operated the x3 weekly SYD-BNE tag service between Aug 91 (sic) and January 1994. I'm assuming it's a typo and it was meant to say August 1993.

United Resumes Brisbane Service in late-October 2022 — AeroRoutes

Published at 1720GMT 08JUN22 United Airlines on Wednesday morning (08JUN22; US time zone) opened reservation for San Francisco – Brisbane route, scheduled to commence on 28OCT22. Subject to government approval, Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner to operate this route 3 times weekly. Following schedule is

aeroroutes.com

That was the first thing I thought of, when I saw the comment from Annastacia that United had never before flown to BNE. I have very clear memories of UA's LAX-SYD-BNE flights of the early 90s. You'd think her people would bother to get the details right.

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And of course Premier Annastacia has to go up there and announce the new UA flights herself on the local news.. "This is great for Tourism in Queensland and Great for Competition in Queensland!" (lol), although the upcoming UA flights are partially taxpayer subsidised through the AAIF agreement.

And rewrite history into the bargain! She's wrong to say that United has never served BNE before. UA flew LAX-SYD-BNE flights in the early 1990s.

 

[ddaann]

Booked on UA BNE-SFO for an early November trip over to the US, hopefully the loadings are light!

 

[QLDAviator]

I for one hope the route stays around for a long time, Brisbane deserves more attention from larger carriers and hopefully (pending how well it does) other airlines may soon want to also fly to BNE?

 

[AIRwin]

Inaugural flight UA96 from SFO has just landed in BNE!

 

[HS-TQE]

"United Airlines’ first Queensland flight has touched down in Brisbane, connecting US visitors to Queensland’s great holiday lifestyle and supporting up to 260 good Queensland jobs.

The inaugural three-times weekly service from San Francisco is one of six secured by Queensland’s $200 million Attracting Aviation Investment Fund (AAIF) in partnership with the State’s four international airports."

Queensland Government Press Release: United Airlines connects US to Queensland’s great lifestyle

Congratulations to the Queensland Government, BAC and to UA.

 

[Brissy1]

Queensland’s $200 million Attracting Aviation Investment Fund (AAIF)

I didn't know that, $200,000,000! Using/increasing borrowed money to "buy" more "good Queensland jobs" yet there's an employee shortage. And she'll likely be re-elected.

 

[HS-TQE]

I didn't know that, $200,000,000! Using/increasing borrowed money to "buy" more "good Queensland jobs" yet there's an employee shortage. And she'll likely be re-elected.

Not to get overly political, the AAIF is a 50/50 partnership between Qld and the Airports, thus technically it's $100m from Queensland, with $50 million from QAL (CNS and OOL), $25 million from MCY (Palisades) and $25 million from BAC (BNE)

 

[AIRwin]

Queensland Government Press Release: United Airlines connects US to Queensland’s great lifestyle

Congratulations to the Queensland Government, BAC and to UA.

And BAC media release:

From the Golden Gate to the Sunshine State

30 October 2022: History has been made with the arrival of the first scheduled non-stop passenger service by an American carrier from the US mainland to Queensland. United Airlines Flight UA96 from San Francisco to Brisbane touched down at 0625 this morning, echoing one of the most important...

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