Off duty staff pax 'misbehaving'?

[mannej]

No.Their flights have been paid by someone to QF or whichever airline it is.I don't envy the road warriors.

But it is the same argument Dr. what you have just added is spin.

 

[Wingin..it]

Also of note was their behaviour.As some have observed talking loudly and being served meals as per their seating.We were in Row 3 but paying pax in row 4 missed out on their choice of meal.
Compare that to the 2 pilots in J SYD-BNE last week.Both in Row 1,offered meals but declined until other pax had their meals.
As to JQ being part of QF.Yes but not always for paying pax-I travel MCY-MEL-DPO and reverse.No checking through of bags,now have to lug bags between terminals and coming home have for all practical purposes lost QP access.
I also thought JQ staff were on a different EBA to QF staff.

Seems like the 2 Pilots were showing good work ethics .Tired pilots coming off a heavy work schedule /roster should be entitled to comfort travel and I would not begrudge travel in business or first .
Airlines and staff can do whatever they like but as the topic suggests people can and will remember behaviour .Staff remember pax behaviour and pax remember staff ,which ultimately will influence future decisions .
I would rather be at the hands of a courteous pilot that may be thinking about himself and duty to pax .These are the pilots that most likely excel in emergency situations etc.

 

[Travelqueen]

But I do pay for my J seat.Do you?

Yes drron, as a self funded platinum, I do pay for my own seats.

I also see the "sour grapes" attitude from my husband, also a platinum, when we fly if he sees staff in J class.
So, I feel I'm aware of arguments from others opinions, of which everyone is entitled to.

Again, my thoughts are...if I want a J seat, I pay for it. Of course, a surprise upgrade is very exciting, but I go to the airport assuming that the seat I chose for myself, will be the seat I will be sitting in. Whether that is in J or Y class.
I know some passengers have a sense of entitlement that they should have that empty J class seat, ( my husband included ), but it's not how I roll in life.
Yes, it would be nice for Qantas to reward it's loyal base. My understanding of staff flights from other threads is that the staff only get the J class seat if no one else has either paid, or asked for an upgrade for it.

However, I agree that any staff should maintain behaviour expected of any employee representing their company.

That said.....it would be great if all passengers also showed such manners. Like many of you I'm sure we have all seen terrible behaviour from full fare paying customers.

TQ

 

[drron]

But it is the same argument Dr. what you have just added is spin.

That is just your interpretation of what I believe.Certainly others do have the opinion you implied but I am not one of them.

 

[Ewing]

Compare that to the 2 pilots in J SYD-BNE last week.Both in Row 1,offered meals but declined until other pax had their meals.

I find that the pilots on duty travel are the best to set next to. I sat next to a Captain recently (I in 2C, he was in 2A). Very polite, and wouldn't accept a meal until he'd been reassured that there were enough choices for the rest of the cabin.

Compare that to someone else I had the misfortune of sitting next to (I 1C, he 1A). He spent the first 10 minutes (at which point I'd had enough so put my headphones in and went back to my book) bragging about how awesome staff travel was and how flying business is so cheap.

He wasn't too pleased to see me get my choice of meal and then have to wait until the entire cabin had been served before getting a choice of soup or soup. Judging by the number of selfies he took prior to takeoff I'm guessing he doesn't get to use staff travel too often.

 

[TheInsider]

Also just wanted to point out, just because may be on a staff travel ticket, it may be due to contractors travelling (who don't 'work' for QF directly), it also may be FOC tickets that QF gives out (which has happened on here before).

 

[Boris spatsky]

As a general comment, i don't mind staff of any airline travelling in J - but i do mind the staff member's family when travelling on an ID fare who seem more inclined to be the DYKWIA category and tell everyone about it...

 

[Milboo]

Why are people hung up on where airline staff get to sit or not sit when it does not affect them? I seriously do not give it any thought when I see uniformed staff in the cabin.

I say "does not affect" as the only way it can affect someone is if the staff member having that seat has bumped you out of your paid seat, not any perceived entitlement to an upgrade simply because you have status.

Our safety and wellbeing when we fly is in the hands of airline crew. I am grateful for this, and don't envy them for the job they have to do some days and certainly don't resent them for where they get to sit.

 

[Hvr]

Also of note was their behaviour.As some have observed talking loudly and being served meals as per their seating.We were in Row 3 but paying pax in row 4 missed out on their choice of meal.
Compare that to the 2 pilots in J SYD-BNE last week.Both in Row 1,offered meals but declined until other pax had their meals.
As to JQ being part of QF.Yes but not always for paying pax-I travel MCY-MEL-DPO and reverse.No checking through of bags,now have to lug bags between terminals and coming home have for all practical purposes lost QP access.
I also thought JQ staff were on a different EBA to QF staff.

The behavior is a different issue to travelling in J. It needs to be referred to their employer.

As for J* staff being on a different EBA to QF staff, well there are several discrete EDAs within the Qantas group even within the Cabin Crew group.

 

[wandering_fred]

If you are really that aggravated with airline employees sitting in J seats, just help your local member of parliament ensure that value of the seat being flown less the value of a Y seat on a segment by segment basis is subject to fringe benefits tax... :shock:

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Bolthead]

I'll explain that comment. If the pilot was down the back, and the cabin crew up front, it means the crew were on duty tickets, and the pilot had purchased his own (i.e. he's a commuter).

Can you explain this to me... What's the difference to someone on a 'duty ticket' and someone who is 'commuting' to work. I am pretty ignorant when it comes to airline work practices, so isn't that the same thing?

 

[N860CR]

Can you explain this to me... What's the difference to someone on a 'duty ticket' and someone who is 'commuting' to work. I am pretty ignorant when it comes to airline work practices, so isn't that the same thing?

"Duty" means the flight is part of your actual rostered flying duty (e.g.; I'm based in Sydney and need to travel to Adelaide for a flight).

"Commuting" is when someone chooses to work away from their base (e.g. I'm based in Sydney but elect to live in Melbourne).

Most airlines don't provide the staff member with commuting tickets so that's at their own expense. Duty flying is totally the airlines responsibility.

 

[Bolthead]

"Duty" means the flight is part of your actual rostered flying duty (e.g.; I'm based in Sydney and need to travel to Adelaide for a flight).

"Commuting" is when someone chooses to work away from their base (e.g. I'm based in Sydney but elect to live in Melbourne).

Most airlines don't provide the staff member with commuting tickets so that's at their own expense. Duty flying is totally the airlines responsibility.

OK thanks, that makes sense. I am assuming however that the commuting tickets would be at staff price as it could get a bit expensive for the staff member to commute all the time.

 

[N860CR]

OK thanks, that makes sense. I am assuming however that the commuting tickets would be at staff price as it could get a bit expensive for the staff member to commute all the time.

It's still pretty expensive... but generally people try to use standby travel for commuting.

Nothing can explain the joy of operating a transpacific sector and then sitting around watching 8 full flights leave as you try to get home.