Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

Phew, I just booked my flight. Got MEL-ADL-DOH-MLE-CMB-HKG confirmed, had to drop the HKG-CAN leg as the agent cannot see availability without a stopover (ie. Cathay won't let CMB-HKG-CAN but will allow CMB-HKG and HKG-CAN separately), not a big deal as it is a short trip, albeit annoying.

Thanks to everyone's help, now I will mark down the calendar to make sure I revisit this later in the year to book the flights to Europe in September/October next year on the same ticket.
 
Phew, I just booked my flight. Got MEL-ADL-DOH-MLE-CMB-HKG confirmed, had to drop the HKG-CAN leg as the agent cannot see availability without a stopover (ie. Cathay won't let CMB-HKG-CAN but will allow CMB-HKG and HKG-CAN separately), not a big deal as it is a short trip, albeit annoying.

Thanks to everyone's help, now I will mark down the calendar to make sure I revisit this later in the year to book the flights to Europe in September/October next year on the same ticket.

Damn Cathay and its insistence on divorced segments. It's got me before.
 
Hi All,

Been following the thread for a number of years and booked my first 280k reward. Thanks for all the help/tips

September/October this year:
PER-DOH QR J B777
DOH-AMM RJ J A321 - STOP
AMM-ATH RJ J E175 - STOP/OPEN JAW ---> revenue ATH-JTR OA Y A320
JTR-VIE HG Y A321
VIE-HEL AY J A321 - STOP/OPEN JAW ----> revenue HEL-OSL-TOS-ARN Y
ARN-DOH QR J B787
DOH-KUL QR J B787 - STOP ----> revenue KUL-PER OD Y B737

July next year: ---> will likely book a seperate J award PER-KUL
KUL-HKG MH J A330 - overnight 21 hour stop
HKG-NRT JL J B787
NRT-YVR JL J B787 - STOP
YVR-NRT JL J B787
NRT-HKG CX J B777 - overnight stop
HKG-PER CX J A350

Two PAX, Two trips 34,621 miles 280k points + $1450 taxes per person
 
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Hi All,

Been following the thread for a number of years and booked my first 280k reward. Thanks for all the help/tips

September/October this year:
PER-DOH QR J B777
DOH-AMM RJ J A321 - STOP
AMM-ATH RJ J E175 - STOP/OPEN JAW ---> revenue ATH-JTR OA Y A320
JTR-VIE HG Y A321
VIE-HEL AY J A321 - STOP/OPEN JAW ----> revenue HEL-OSL-TOS-ARN Y
ARN-DOH QR J B787
DOH-KUL QR J B787 - STOP ----> revenue KUL-PER OD Y B737

July next year: ---> will likely book a seperate J award PER-KUL
KUL-HKG MH J A330 - overnight 21 hour stop
HKG-NRT JL J B787
NRT-YVR JL J B787 - STOP
YVR-NRT JL J B787
NRT-HKG CX J B777 - overnight stop
HKG-PER CX J A350

Two PAX, Two trips 34,621 miles 280k points + $1450 taxes per person
Well done! Might emulate a bit of that!
 
Hi All,

Been following the thread for a number of years and booked my first 280k reward. Thanks for all the help/tips

September/October this year:
PER-DOH QR J B777
DOH-AMM RJ J A321 - STOP
AMM-ATH RJ J E175 - STOP/OPEN JAW ---> revenue ATH-JTR OA Y A320
JTR-VIE HG Y A321
VIE-HEL AY J A321 - STOP/OPEN JAW ----> revenue HEL-OSL-TOS-ARN Y
ARN-DOH QR J B787
DOH-KUL QR J B787 - STOP ----> revenue KUL-PER OD Y B737

July next year: ---> will likely book a seperate J award PER-KUL
KUL-HKG MH J A330 - overnight 21 hour stop
HKG-NRT JL J B787
NRT-YVR JL J B787 - STOP
YVR-NRT JL J B787
NRT-HKG CX J B777 - overnight stop
HKG-PER CX J A350

Two PAX, Two trips 34,621 miles 280k points + $1450 taxes per person

Helluva trip but those taxes are extortionate. It would be interesting to see the breakdown as to who's charging you the most.
 
How would I find this out? Maybe Qantas have made a mistake?

Others on this thread will have a better idea but I would have thought was definitely excessive, particularly considering there are no QF or AA flights where surcharges are ridiculous. Qatar can be pricey, though, I guess. I'm not sure about MH and JL.

There are two ways I know about finding out. One is to call Qantas and ask them to detail it all to you, either over the phone or in an email. The other is to use ITA Matrix to price each sector (ie. not necessarily each flight, but each sector, so for example you would need to price PER-DOH-ATH, not PER-DOH and then DOH-ATH). Choose the flights you're on and then the Matrix will give you a detailed listing of how the fare is comprised, including all the taxes.
 
Is calling Qantas the only way to get the record locator for the non-QF flights? I am trying to do seat selection now but Qantas won't let me select seats for QR, UL and CX flights.
 
How would I find this out? Maybe Qantas have made a mistake?

QR, RJ, AY, MH would be the high ones in that itinerary.

As per the wiki in this thread that lists the fuel fines, I don't have any data for RJ and minimal data for MH so I'd appreciate your PNR to harvest the data.
 
Great success - eventually.

So after waiting for the time to be right to book my first 280K Oneworld Award I was thrilled when after spending the best part of day on the British Airways site that everything I wanted (well mostly) was lining up so I keenly got on the phone to Qantas to book flights for Mrs IronBird and myself. I thought I'd share some insights into what went well and what took three phone calls to sort out.

My itinerary was complicated but I was certain that it complied with all the rules - PER - ADL (T) - SYD (S) - CNS (open jaw) - SIN - NRT (open jaw) - KIX - CGK (S) - HKG (T) - NRT (T) - YVR (open jaw) - LAX - HKG (T) - KUL (T) - SIN (final destination). Counting each of the open jaws as a stop plus the actual stops this was (I thought and eventually Qantas agreed was 5 stops. You'll notice that my origin (PER) and final destination (SIN) are different so as per the rules I counted the distance between these and also the distance of the open jaws and had a good few hundred miles to spare but was under 35,000 miles (well so I thought - but Qantas count differently to me).

Mrs IronBird is a bit simplier (PER - SYD - MEL - NRT - KIX - CGK - NRT - YVR - LAX - HKG - KUL - PER).

Some of these sectors will be with my wife (booked on a separate RTW ticket) and my children (booked with Aadvantage points).

So what worked well. Finding good availability (four J award seats) on many JL and CX flights within Asia. This was handy for me as I work in SEA and really important when trying to get everyone to skiing trip in Japan.

The other thing that was needed to get the trip sorted was some flexibility about where we'd fly to and being willing to book a couple of positioning flights. After all I am getting basically three holidays with one 280K booking so I didn't want to ruin my chances by steadfastly sticking to a particular itinerary. For instance I was hoping to travel from TYO or KIX to DPS but there absolutely no availability for this but I could find some to CGK and I'll just have to get a cheap ticket from there to Bali. Similarly while there was good availability getting to YVR there wasn't anything return (a quirk of the game we play I suppose). So I just kept looking (SFO, LAX etc) and found something out of LAX for both of us.

I'll also give credit to the phone operators at Qantas for while they didn't always get the rules right they were friendly and easy to talk to and tried hard to help make this work.

What didn't go so well and needed a two follow calls to sort out was both the mileage and pricing of the ticket. I had 578K points so enough for the two 280K fares and the 5K booking fee each. The first agent booked this as a one-way itinerary for 450K points (without telling me that he was deducting 450K points from my account). At the start of the phone call I'd said that I was calling to book two 280K OneWorld J RTW itineraries but when the computer put these as one-way fares he neglected to mention it.

I actually didn't realise this until I called back the next morning. The reason for the call back was that he'd mixed up the CGK - NRT - YVR sectors and had us flying from NRT to YVR on 13 July when we didn't arrive in NRT from CGK until 14 July. The lady on call two was surprised that it had gone through like that. Anyway she then informed that I'd been charged the 450K points and wondered why I didn't try to do it as a 280K booking - well I thought it had.

The reason she thought it was going through as a one way was that the open jaws (Qantas has a special name that I forget) were being counted as two stops (I didn't know why this would be the case). She was very supportive about trying to get the booking and fixed up the back to front CGK - NRT - YVR sectors (but had trouble seeing the JL availability I could see on British Airways - in fact all the operators had this trouble). She also suggested that I drop the domestic sectors to reduce the numbers of stops and we eventually booked that.

Nonetheless her reason that the open jaws were being counted as two stops didn't seem right. I knew that the distance needed to be counted but couldn't see anything in the rules that it counted as an extra stop so I called back for a third time.

After a while on hold while he checked out why it wasn't working he eventually found out that it wasn't the number of stops that was the issue but the distance going over 35,000 miles and therefore had be booked as a one way fare. Now despite being told that the computer is never wrong, I'd very carefully calculated the distances and knew that it was under 35,000 miles. But what the Qantas computer was doing was saying that I'd flown 26,000 miles to get from PER to SIN (via all my actual destinations) and therefore I had to fly 26,000 miles to return (instead of the actual 2,400 miles between Perth and Singapore). Apparently there is know way to manually tell the computer where SIN and PER actually are and this was going to be a deal breaker. We eventually got around this by changing the KUL - SIN sector to KUL - PER (in Y - I'd already booked the one J award seat for my wife). This now had me returning to my departure point and priced as being less than 35,000 miles. As I'll be returning to work in Indonesia after this trip I'll just miss this sector. Similar to JL availability the guy had trouble finding MH availability (until I mentioned that it might be hiding in another part of his system).

So we got there eventually and I'm really looking forward to every part of this trip (Christmas in Mission Beach, skiing in Japan with a defrost in Java or Bali and a July holiday to Canada) but I just wanted to share some of the learnings from the booking process. Keep some flexibility in destinations and in particular that despite being told that the 'computer is never wrong' sometimes it definitely doesn't make sense and to persevere until you get something workable.

But above all enjoy the actual destinations when you get there - that's what this is all about and I certainly looking forward to it all.
 
Great success - eventually.

So after waiting for the time to be right to book my first 280K Oneworld Award I was thrilled when after spending the best part of day on the British Airways site that everything I wanted (well mostly) was lining up so I keenly got on the phone to Qantas to book flights for Mrs IronBird and myself. I thought I'd share some insights into what went well and what took three phone calls to sort out.

My itinerary was complicated but I was certain that it complied with all the rules - PER - ADL (T) - SYD (S) - CNS (open jaw) - SIN - NRT (open jaw) - KIX - CGK (S) - HKG (T) - NRT (T) - YVR (open jaw) - LAX - HKG (T) - KUL (T) - SIN (final destination). Counting each of the open jaws as a stop plus the actual stops this was (I thought and eventually Qantas agreed was 5 stops. You'll notice that my origin (PER) and final destination (SIN) are different so as per the rules I counted the distance between these and also the distance of the open jaws and had a good few hundred miles to spare but was under 35,000 miles (well so I thought - but Qantas count differently to me).

Mrs IronBird is a bit simplier (PER - SYD - MEL - NRT - KIX - CGK - NRT - YVR - LAX - HKG - KUL - PER).

Some of these sectors will be with my wife (booked on a separate RTW ticket) and my children (booked with Aadvantage points).

So what worked well. Finding good availability (four J award seats) on many JL and CX flights within Asia. This was handy for me as I work in SEA and really important when trying to get everyone to skiing trip in Japan.

The other thing that was needed to get the trip sorted was some flexibility about where we'd fly to and being willing to book a couple of positioning flights. After all I am getting basically three holidays with one 280K booking so I didn't want to ruin my chances by steadfastly sticking to a particular itinerary. For instance I was hoping to travel from TYO or KIX to DPS but there absolutely no availability for this but I could find some to CGK and I'll just have to get a cheap ticket from there to Bali. Similarly while there was good availability getting to YVR there wasn't anything return (a quirk of the game we play I suppose). So I just kept looking (SFO, LAX etc) and found something out of LAX for both of us.

I'll also give credit to the phone operators at Qantas for while they didn't always get the rules right they were friendly and easy to talk to and tried hard to help make this work.

What didn't go so well and needed a two follow calls to sort out was both the mileage and pricing of the ticket. I had 578K points so enough for the two 280K fares and the 5K booking fee each. The first agent booked this as a one-way itinerary for 450K points (without telling me that he was deducting 450K points from my account). At the start of the phone call I'd said that I was calling to book two 280K OneWorld J RTW itineraries but when the computer put these as one-way fares he neglected to mention it.

I actually didn't realise this until I called back the next morning. The reason for the call back was that he'd mixed up the CGK - NRT - YVR sectors and had us flying from NRT to YVR on 13 July when we didn't arrive in NRT from CGK until 14 July. The lady on call two was surprised that it had gone through like that. Anyway she then informed that I'd been charged the 450K points and wondered why I didn't try to do it as a 280K booking - well I thought it had.

The reason she thought it was going through as a one way was that the open jaws (Qantas has a special name that I forget) were being counted as two stops (I didn't know why this would be the case). She was very supportive about trying to get the booking and fixed up the back to front CGK - NRT - YVR sectors (but had trouble seeing the JL availability I could see on British Airways - in fact all the operators had this trouble). She also suggested that I drop the domestic sectors to reduce the numbers of stops and we eventually booked that.

Nonetheless her reason that the open jaws were being counted as two stops didn't seem right. I knew that the distance needed to be counted but couldn't see anything in the rules that it counted as an extra stop so I called back for a third time.

After a while on hold while he checked out why it wasn't working he eventually found out that it wasn't the number of stops that was the issue but the distance going over 35,000 miles and therefore had be booked as a one way fare. Now despite being told that the computer is never wrong, I'd very carefully calculated the distances and knew that it was under 35,000 miles. But what the Qantas computer was doing was saying that I'd flown 26,000 miles to get from PER to SIN (via all my actual destinations) and therefore I had to fly 26,000 miles to return (instead of the actual 2,400 miles between Perth and Singapore). Apparently there is know way to manually tell the computer where SIN and PER actually are and this was going to be a deal breaker. We eventually got around this by changing the KUL - SIN sector to KUL - PER (in Y - I'd already booked the one J award seat for my wife). This now had me returning to my departure point and priced as being less than 35,000 miles. As I'll be returning to work in Indonesia after this trip I'll just miss this sector. Similar to JL availability the guy had trouble finding MH availability (until I mentioned that it might be hiding in another part of his system).

So we got there eventually and I'm really looking forward to every part of this trip (Christmas in Mission Beach, skiing in Japan with a defrost in Java or Bali and a July holiday to Canada) but I just wanted to share some of the learnings from the booking process. Keep some flexibility in destinations and in particular that despite being told that the 'computer is never wrong' sometimes it definitely doesn't make sense and to persevere until you get something workable.

But above all enjoy the actual destinations when you get there - that's what this is all about and I certainly looking forward to it all.

thank you for sharing. For someone new to this and still learning how to piece together the itineraries for maximum value, this is very inspiring.
 
My itinerary was complicated but I was certain that it complied with all the rules - PER - ADL (T) - SYD (S) - CNS (open jaw) - SIN - NRT (open jaw) - KIX - CGK (S) - HKG (T) - NRT (T) - YVR (open jaw) - LAX - HKG (T) - KUL (T) - SIN (final destination). Counting each of the open jaws as a stop plus the actual stops this was (I thought and eventually Qantas agreed was 5 stops.

Just as an FYI, the surface sectors such as NRT-KIX are not 'open jaws'. Open jaw tickets are those that depart from a city to a destination then return from a 3rd city to the original city, such as MEL-NRT then KIX-MEL. The "picture" the sectors make looks like an open jaw or like < . Just going from a to b not on a plane is just a surface sector (or if it's on a plane but on a different itin then from the point of view of the original itin it's still considered as a surface sector.

Also, you may have confused the original operator by calling the trip a OneWorld RTW ticket, as it's a OneWorld award ticket - you don't have to go RTW - which might be why they accidentally charged too many points.
 
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Great success - eventually.

So after waiting for the time to be right to book my first 280K Oneworld Award I was thrilled when after spending the best part of day on the British Airways site that everything I wanted (well mostly) was lining up so I keenly got on the phone to Qantas to book flights for Mrs IronBird and myself. I thought I'd share some insights into what went well and what took three phone calls to sort out.
PS. Well done :)
 
I've just added a big data update to the fuel fines in the wiki.

Summary:

1. Update of CX fuel fines
2. Addition of a numerous QR routes

If anyone would like to contribute their PNR's data to the wiki and your PNR was initially created over the phone with QF, please PM me your QF record locator.
 
If the first flights were booked on-line but added/amended over the phone, is that of any use to you?

JV

Unfortunately not. For the same reason, it's possible to add commercial fares (eg. SYD QF DXB QF LHR as an award, adding LHR BA CDG as a commercial fare) for the purpose of through-checking to/from award flights on bookings originally created over the phone, but not for ones created initially online.
 
Fun fact for fans of QR J...

If you have two journeys (ie. stop X to stop Y) with QR within a single oneworld award, you only get charged one lot of fuel fines.

Example 1:

SYD QF HKG <stop>
HKG QR X/DOH QR JNB <stop>
JNB QR X/DOH QR GVA <stop>
GVA BA X/LHR BA JFK <stop>
JFK AA LAX <stop>
LAX QF SYD

The QR fuel fines on this example is just 323.00 AUD for all 4 QR flights.

Example 2:

SYD QF SFO <stop>
SFO AA JFK <stop>
JFK QR X/DOH QR JNB <stop>
JNB QR X/DOH QR SIN <stop>
SIN BA SYD

The QR fuel fines on this example is just 350.00 AUD for all 4 QR flights.
 
I've just added a big data update to the fuel fines in the wiki.

Summary:

1. Update of CX fuel fines
2. Addition of a numerous QR routes

If anyone would like to contribute their PNR's data to the wiki and your PNR was initially created over the phone with QF, please PM me your QF record locator.

Thanks for keeping all the info up to date for the AFF'ers out there.
 

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