Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[get me outta here]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

"needs to have segments on at least 2 airlines other than qantas".

Yes, that's what the QF consultant told me. Mine is ok as it covers QF, RJ and maybe CX.

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Yeah, note that it doesn't say "needs to have segments on at least 2 airlines in addition to Qantas."

Qantas consultants are notorious for not really knowing the rules in the detail you might expect of them. Many times AFF members have complained of being told contradictory info by different QF consultants. Sometimes they are quite dogmatic about some things and only change their minds when knowledgeable customers confront them with the exact info as to why they are wrong.

 

[JohnK]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

A lot of people think that but it's definitely not true if you read the rules carefully - there have been several discussions on AFF which have made that very clear.

The rules are quite clear on a QFF Oneworld award.

You must have 2 other Oneworld airlines as well as Qantas.

The online booking tool enforces it. If some consultants are unaware then good luck to whoever is able to book a QFF Oneworld award without Qantas in the itinerary.

 

[serfty]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

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You must have 2 other Oneworld airlines as well as Qantas.
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If the online tool enforces a Qantas segement, then it is in conflict with the rules as have been written for at least 5 years.

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

In practical terms it doesn't really matter as it's very difficult to structure an award RTW booking without using QAN to get in or out of Australia. That means most people will have QAN and at least 2 other airlines in the booking.

Having said that I can't understand why some people persist in insisting you have to have a QAN segment when such a conclusion can not be drawn from any logical interpretation of the relevant oneworld rule.

 

[Grooba]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

You most certainly do not have to include a QF flight when booking a Oneworld award, even when using the QF site itself.
I've just put together SYD-HKG-DXB-LHR-PHL,ORD-HKG-SYD using CX and BA only and I'm at the payment screen.

 

[JohnK]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

If the online tool enforces a Qantas segement, then it is in conflict with the rules as have been written for at least 5 years.

When did this change? Or was it always like that? I remember it differently.

14.5.1 A oneworld Award is a Classic Award Itinerary that includes travel on at least two oneworld Alliance Airlines other than Qantas and does not include any travel on any airline that is not a oneworld Alliance Airline.

So apologies it appears you only need to book 2 Oneworld airlines other than Qantas....

 

[get me outta here]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

I was able to book this all online through the QF website today. Thanks to all that provided info.



Initially, I was just testing the QF site to see what I could find out on times and routes etc. Then I found I was making real progress and after a fair bit of tuning, I got close to what I could accept.


I was keen to lock the flts whilst they were there and totally forgot to book my CBR-SYD-CBR connections. I had to ring up a couple of hours later and the QF consultant kindly added them in at no charge except the fuel etc. She commented that it was quite a complicated itin to do through the website. Cost: 140K FF pts and about $1100.

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[Grooba]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Looks like a fun trip. Well done and enjoy!
The $1100 paid looks a bit high? My recent award booking of SYD-PVG-HKG-DXB-AMM-LHR-PHL/ORD-HKG-BKK-SIN-ADL-SYD in J the whole way was 280k and $1200 on QF/CX/RJ/BA.

 

[Batesy]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Looking to go SYD-YVR-any NYC airport-ZIH Mexico-SYD Depart around 14 Dec 2013. Want to do oneworld award in J for 280K for two.
Ideas folks? Points not an issue.

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Looking to go SYD-YVR-any NYC airport-ZIH Mexico-SYD Depart around 14 Dec 2013. Want to do oneworld award in J for 280K for two.
Ideas folks? Points not an issue.

Wouldn't think that would be too hard....... J seat availability on the direct flights to/from Sydney -> US can sometimes be a problem (and maybe more so as you want to travel in the pre Xmas holiday period) but you should be able to get to YVR via HKG or NRT if no SYD - LAX seats were available. YVR - NYC shouldn't be a problem (CX have a direct flight but plenty of alternatives via ORD etc.
Plenty of options from NYC - ZIX via DFW or even MIA I would guess. You would then have to return to SYD via DFW (most flights from Mexican cities do this) - or maybe via LAX.
Suggest you don't delay in locking in your J seat from DFW or LAX to SYD - that's a popular route.

 

[get me outta here]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

"The $1100 paid looks a bit high? My recent award booking of SYD-PVG-HKG-DXB-AMM-LHR-PHL/ORD-HKG-BKK-SIN-ADL-SYD in J the whole way was 280k and $1200 on QF/CX/RJ/BA".

Sure seems like you got the better deal esp w' LHR in there. I wonder why I paid so much .... I envy the 'J' part of yr trip.

 

[Grooba]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Looking to go SYD-YVR-any NYC airport-ZIH Mexico-SYD Depart around 14 Dec 2013. Want to do oneworld award in J for 280K for two.
Ideas folks? Points not an issue.

Will be tough. Not many options even getting to NYC via YVR in J at an award level.

 

[garybatz]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi Folks,

I've just doing some planning for a Oneworld Award trip in June 2014 & have found something a bit confusing. Apologies in advance if this is already answered somewhere in this thread but I couldn't find it using search & don't have the will to trawl through 60 pages of comments ( as useful as they tend to be...).

My first task is getting out of Melbourne & I'm looking at going MEL-NRT, either direct or through SYD/CNS etc. Not too fussed except I do like to avoid overnight flights in Y if possible.

There is a daytime flight CNS-NRT but this is where my confusion starts. I'm aware that I can't use Jetstar for a Oneworld award, however this flight is listed as being with Jetstar on qantas.com.au (JQ25) but as a Qantas flight on the Oneworld timetable search (QF249). And the same thing with OOL-NRT (JQ11/QF251). The date I'm looking at is 24 June 2013.

Can anyone assist?

Thanks

 

[Princess Fiona]

Wouldn't think that would be too hard....... J seat availability on the direct flights to/from Sydney -> US can sometimes be a problem (and maybe more so as you want to travel in the pre Xmas holiday period) but you should be able to get to YVR via HKG or NRT if no SYD - LAX seats were available. YVR - NYC shouldn't be a problem (CX have a direct flight but plenty of alternatives via ORD etc.
Plenty of options from NYC - ZIX via DFW or even MIA I would guess. You would then have to return to SYD via DFW (most flights from Mexican cities do this) - or maybe via LAX.
Suggest you don't delay in locking in your J seat from DFW or LAX to SYD - that's a popular route.

Can you do this in reverse ? ie JFK-YVR with a stop then onwards to HKG?
I cannot get this combination at all on the QF booking engine. It puts the JFK via DFW on AA or via LAX on AA / AS (can't do AS on a One World presumably)
I cannot see a JFK-oYVR-HKG on CX.com as a revenue fare unless the stopover is overnight transit only and wonder if this is the reason it's not allowed as a One World/ Partner Award?
Would be most grateful if any ideas on alternatives if this isn't possible.
I have my outward sectors booked already and plan to telephone to complete the booking and convert it all to 280 K booking plus change and telephone assistance fees.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Hi Folks,

I've just doing some planning for a Oneworld Award trip in June 2014 & have found something a bit confusing. Apologies in advance if this is already answered somewhere in this thread but I couldn't find it using search & don't have the will to trawl through 60 pages of comments ( as useful as they tend to be...).

My first task is getting out of Melbourne & I'm looking at going MEL-NRT, either direct or through SYD/CNS etc. Not too fussed except I do like to avoid overnight flights in Y if possible.

There is a daytime flight CNS-NRT but this is where my confusion starts. I'm aware that I can't use Jetstar for a Oneworld award, however this flight is listed as being with Jetstar on qantas.com.au (JQ25) but as a Qantas flight on the Oneworld timetable search (QF249). And the same thing with OOL-NRT (JQ11/QF251). The date I'm looking at is 24 June 2013.

Can anyone assist?

Thanks

From the award table it looks like you cannot use QF code on JQ flights
http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/usingPoints/pointsTables

 

[vetrade]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Can you do this in reverse ? ie JFK-YVR with a stop then onwards to HKG?
I cannot get this combination at all on the QF booking engine. It puts the JFK via DFW on AA or via LAX on AA / AS (can't do AS on a One World presumably)
I cannot see a JFK-oYVR-HKG on CX.com as a revenue fare unless the stopover is overnight transit only and wonder if this is the reason it's not allowed as a One World/ Partner Award?
Would be most grateful if any ideas on alternatives if this isn't possible.
I have my outward sectors booked already and plan to telephone to complete the booking and convert it all to 280 K booking plus change and telephone assistance fees.

Suggest it might be best to check out the oneworld interactive network map first and search for JFK - YVR and YVR - HKG Princess. Forget about using QF online - you will need to get a list of potential suitable airlines and flight numbers which you can get the QF telephone booking person to check for availability.
Just had a quick look and there are AA and CX flights from JFK to YVR. From what I can see there are no direct flights from YVR - HKG - various airlines do fly between those cities but they all look to have a stop in NRT or LAX etc with the trip via NRT being about 3,000 km shorter.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Suggest it might be best to check out the oneworld interactive network map first and search for JFK - YVR and YVR - HKG Princess. Forget about using QF online - you will need to get a list of potential suitable airlines and flight numbers which you can get the QF telephone booking person to check for availability.
Just had a quick look and there are AA and CX flights from JFK to YVR. From what I can see there are no direct flights from YVR - HKG - various airlines do fly between those cities but they all look to have a stop in NRT or LAX etc with the trip via NRT being about 3,000 km shorter.

Thankyou will do

 

[garybatz]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

From the award table it looks like you cannot use QF code on JQ flights

Thanks Princess Fiona, I missed that bit on the Table.

Anyone know a way to get to NRT from somewhere in Oz on a full Oneworld flight? I'm keen to go there & then pick up the daytime flight across to NYC. My other option would be to purchase the Jetstar leg & just include it in my sector count, which would be fine as not planning many other stops but would rather save the cash...

 

[Princess Fiona]

From the award table it looks like you cannot use QF code on JQ flights

Thanks Princess Fiona, I missed that bit on the Table.

Anyone know a way to get to NRT from somewhere in Oz on a full Oneworld flight? I'm keen to go there & then pick up the daytime flight across to NYC. My other option would be to purchase the Jetstar leg & just include it in my sector count, which would be fine as not planning many other stops but would rather save the cash...

QF flies SYD-NRT direct, should be easy to add on the MEL-SYD sector