Pets in the Cabin - Coming soon on Virgin Australia

Sensible, if the cost of putting pets in the hold was $150 or less and gate checked then, the concerns about them being left in the heat/cold waiting to be loaded would be alleviated.
The pets being exposed to weather elements on the tarmac is a process question. The current luggage handling process is based on inanimate objects which can be left outside for a while. Your chocolate, wine, face cream, etc may be spoilt in the 40C heat but are usually replaceable. If the pet carriers were kept indoors until the last minute and then brought out for loading, the question would largely be resolved.
 
The pets being exposed to weather elements on the tarmac is a process question. The current luggage handling process is based on inanimate objects which can be left outside for a while. Your chocolate, wine, face cream, etc may be spoilt in the 40C heat but are usually replaceable. If the pet carriers were kept indoors until the last minute and then brought out for loading, the question would largely be resolved.
I understand that if temps are above a certain degree then the passage is cancelled. From nephews experience.
 
You’ll be sitting above the animal, not next to it, which opens up the possibility of a howling dog and crying baby at the same time!
nvm i just remembered we are in australia. more likely a howling kangaroo that will punch me in the balls if it escapes from underneath:eek:🥶⚽🚑
 
"Poor little Fi-Fi. No-one will mind if I take her out to sit quietly on my lap. It's inhumane forcing her to remain in her cage" I can see the arguments now. It doesn't happen in Europe, you say. But we are not European.
 
"Poor little Fi-Fi. No-one will mind if I take her out to sit quietly on my lap. It's inhumane forcing her to remain in her cage" I can see the arguments now. It doesn't happen in Europe, you say. But we are not European.
I think you may be surprised to find people are more intelligent than that.
 
I think you may be surprised to find people are more intelligent than that.
But people on this thread have already said they will take their pet with them if they have to evacuate and that is against the FAA regulations. even a few seconds delay could end up causing fatalities with an evacuation. So emotion is very likely to beat intelligence.
 
But people on this thread have already said they will take their pet with them if they have to evacuate and that is against the FAA regulations. even a few seconds delay could end up causing fatalities with an evacuation. So emotion is very likely to beat intelligence.
But there are lots of factors that *could* delay an evacuation. Pax in wheelchairs for example. Pax - still! - taking hand luggage. Delays by the pilots realising there’s even a problem… which to me is far more of a problem (Asiana at SFO being a prime example).

Ok, perhaps banning pets takes one thing out of the equation. But equally on the emotional level we should also ban parents travelling in different cabins to their children. The likelihood is that parents will be worried about their child rather than evacuating the aircraft.

We should ban IFE and headphones until after takeoff, and at just before the critical stage of landing.

The chances of a slide evacuation in Australia are so rare. Combined with the chances of having a pet in the cabin. Perhaps the benefit to pax now having the opportunity to travel outweighs the actual likelihood of an event occurring?
 
But there are lots of factors that *could* delay an evacuation. Pax in wheelchairs for example. Pax - still! - taking hand luggage. Delays by the pilots realising there’s even a problem… which to me is far more of a problem (Asiana at SFO being a prime example).

Ok, perhaps banning pets takes one thing out of the equation. But equally on the emotional level we should also ban parents travelling in different cabins to their children. The likelihood is that parents will be worried about their child rather than evacuating the aircraft.

We should ban IFE and headphones until after takeoff, and at just before the critical stage of landing.

The chances of a slide evacuation in Australia are so rare. Combined with the chances of having a pet in the cabin. Perhaps the benefit to pax now having the opportunity to travel outweighs the actual likelihood of an event occurring?

Well until the 737-800 is certified to evacuate 180 humans, 13 cats and 9 dogs in 90 seconds using half of the exits, it's a hard no.
 
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I think you may be surprised to find people are more intelligent than that.
People perhaps. Not passengers though....
But there are lots of factors that *could* delay an evacuation. Pax in wheelchairs for example. Pax - still! - taking hand luggage. Delays by the pilots realising there’s even a problem… which to me is far more of a problem (Asiana at SFO being a prime example).
Pax in wheelchairs will be taken care of by the cabin crew after everyone else is off. Hand luggage. Yes, the bins really need to be lockable. Pilot delays, perhaps, but only in those cases where they have subservient crews. I can't see too many Australians hanging around after the hull is breached!
Ok, perhaps banning pets takes one thing out of the equation. But equally on the emotional level we should also ban parents travelling in different cabins to their children. The likelihood is that parents will be worried about their child rather than evacuating the aircraft.
Agreed. But the parents want to travel up front, and won't pay for their children. Actually if the kids are old enough to be down the back, I suspect they'll beat everyone else off.
We should ban IFE and headphones until after takeoff, and at just before the critical stage of landing.
Yes.
The chances of a slide evacuation in Australia are so rare. Combined with the chances of having a pet in the cabin. Perhaps the benefit to pax now having the opportunity to travel outweighs the actual likelihood of an event occurring?
It's rare, but does that mean we shouldn't prepare for it, and treat it as the life threatening event it will be. Much of aviation is so rare that it almost doesn't exist...but when it does pop up, it has the ability to kill hundreds very quickly. Ignore or prepare?
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Well until the 737-800 is certified to evacuate 180 humans, 13 cats and 9 dogs in 90 seconds using half of the exits, it's a hard no.
Nobody will ever do it, but I'd love to see one of these 'tests' run with normal run of the mill passengers. I'd put $10,000 in some of their bags, and really set fire to the 'aircraft'.
 
But people on this thread have already said they will take their pet with them if they have to evacuate and that is against the FAA regulations. even a few seconds delay could end up causing fatalities with an evacuation. So emotion is very likely to beat intelligence.
My response was about removing them from the carrier during a flight not an emergency. The chance of an evacuation in Australia is so low that I never consider it when flying and the thought would not enter my mind if taking my pet on board. Not sure how that issue would be solved in an emergency and I am unaware if it has ever happened.
 
But there are lots of factors that *could* delay an evacuation. Pax in wheelchairs for example. Pax - still! - taking hand luggage. Delays by the pilots realising there’s even a problem… which to me is far more of a problem (Asiana at SFO being a prime example).

Ok, perhaps banning pets takes one thing out of the equation. But equally on the emotional level we should also ban parents travelling in different cabins to their children. The likelihood is that parents will be worried about their child rather than evacuating the aircraft.

We should ban IFE and headphones until after takeoff, and at just before the critical stage of landing.

The chances of a slide evacuation in Australia are so rare. Combined with the chances of having a pet in the cabin. Perhaps the benefit to pax now having the opportunity to travel outweighs the actual likelihood of an event occurring?
Pretty sure we all accept there may be delays for pax who can't manage quite for themselves. And children. It's somewhat weird you compare human life with pets. I have a pet. It would be devastating to lose one in this manner but please don't compare them with human life.
 
But there are lots of factors that *could* delay an evacuation. Pax in wheelchairs for example. Pax - still! - taking hand luggage. Delays by the pilots realising there’s even a problem… which to me is far more of a problem (Asiana at SFO being a prime example).

Ok, perhaps banning pets takes one thing out of the equation. But equally on the emotional level we should also ban parents travelling in different cabins to their children. The likelihood is that parents will be worried about their child rather than evacuating the aircraft.

We should ban IFE and headphones until after takeoff, and at just before the critical stage of landing.

The chances of a slide evacuation in Australia are so rare. Combined with the chances of having a pet in the cabin. Perhaps the benefit to pax now having the opportunity to travel outweighs the actual likelihood of an event occurring?
Have you read the FAA advice I linked. pets in the cabin are considered carryon baggage and must obey all carryon regulations which means they must be left behind in an evacuation. Even a few seconds can mean life or death for some.
There are basically no wheelchairs in the cabin during flight. I am sure all competent airlines would have protocols for evacuating disabled passengers.
And sadly I think you are wrong to think it would be rare to have pets on board if an evacuation is needed. And though evacuations are rare in Australia no one knows when one might happen and happen it will at some time in the future.
So the bottom line is if you bring a pet onboard you are likely to lose that pet. If you take it with you in an evacuation you will be endangering other passengers. Are you prepared to live with the knowledge that you saved your pet and that may have well added to the human death toll.
 
Didn't take long for those thread to take off.

Luckily I no longer travel regularly. Pets do not belong in the cabin with humans.
 
My response was about removing them from the carrier during a flight not an emergency. The chance of an evacuation in Australia is so low that I never consider it when flying and the thought would not enter my mind if taking my pet on board. Not sure how that issue would be solved in an emergency and I am unaware if it has ever happened.
I always treat every flight as a potential emergency. In buildings I check for exits etc. as a matter of routine. Can't rely on someone else, with Pistol and Boo under each arm, to assist you. Offshore I'd run crew through fire emergency drills every Sunday. A fire in the moonpool, crash on the heli-deck, etc. On a plane you should have some idea which way you are going to exit even if you don't have skills for anything other than an escape.
Yes and there will be exceptions but not the rule.
Face it, there are alot of special people in Australia.
 

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