Phone call from Citibank re: business expenditure on select card.

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I don't know if I'm missing something here. I think if the ATO is paying less than 0.5% merchant fee on Mc & visa and points are worth 1.1% for cash back and much more as FF points (spending on the CC you're using), then it's a losing proposition for them in a big way. It's just the reverse of why it's attractive to consumers to pay by credit due to points value vs merchant fee?

Not really
what it does is transfer debt and risk
they get paid and someone else,maybe the credit card company or maybe another NON CREDIT CARD ACCEPTING CREDITOR misses out
simply a cost of doing business and guaranteeing CASH FLOW .
 
My point exactly. I am unsure just what the problem is. Surely lots of transactions and fees to CC company is a good thing? Let's face it Coles and Woolies won't beacon large merchant fees and the volume would I assume be enormous. So what of I buy $500 worth of toilet paper , cleaning goods and the like from Woolies and use them in MySpace of business

Coles is an acquirer themselves, and actually make money from it, because EFTPOS transaction is the card issuer paying the acquirer, and if you swipe your ATM card, your bank pays the acquirer a fee, which is Coles.

Back on topic, you don't need a brain to know that no 'person' is going to pay some stupid amount of tax a month. If you are straight everyday person PAYG, you won't even pay much tax at all if any.

If you are some high level executive or business owner, you would do whatever you can to minimise your tax liability, you are NOT going to pay $10000 tax a month.

So if a bank question you, just say yes, OK, and let them drop it. The more you argue, the more you are opening the can of worm, and you are just ruining it for all of us. Thanks a lot. *sigh*
 
If you are some high level executive or business owner, you would do whatever you can to minimise your tax liability, you are NOT going to pay $10000 tax a month.

So if a bank question you, just say yes, OK, and let them drop it. The more you argue, the more you are opening the can of worm, and you are just ruining it for all of us. Thanks a lot. *sigh*


Well... actually some of us do pay that much and more personal tax. I for one would be able to argue that my Citi Select payments are NOT of a business nature but all the same I would very much prefer for people not to mention the letters A,T and O in the same breath when talking with Citi.
 
Coles is an acquirer themselves, and actually make money from it, because EFTPOS transaction is the card issuer paying the acquirer, and if you swipe your ATM card, your bank pays the acquirer a fee, which is Coles.

Back on topic, you don't need a brain to know that no 'person' is going to pay some stupid amount of tax a month. If you are straight everyday person PAYG, you won't even pay much tax at all if any.

If you are some high level executive or business owner, you would do whatever you can to minimise your tax liability, you are NOT going to pay $10000 tax a month.

So if a bank question you, just say yes, OK, and let them drop it. The more you argue, the more you are opening the can of worm, and you are just ruining it for all of us. Thanks a lot. *sigh*

A lot of businesses would pay money every few months to the ATO for there BAS(Paying there GST on sales)

Thou for some businesses could be huge amounts. For my business it is a half decent JASA.
 
A lot of businesses would pay money every few months to the ATO for there BAS(Paying there GST on sales)

Thou for some businesses could be huge amounts. For my business it is a half decent JASA.

And this is clearly in breach of T&C of Citibank. So why not just keep it quiet, why have to rock the boat?
 
Well... actually some of us do pay that much and more personal tax. I for one would be able to argue that my Citi Select payments are NOT of a business nature but all the same I would very much prefer for people not to mention the letters A,T and O in the same breath when talking with Citi.

I'm with you on that one I would hate Citi to become the new Amex as I've only been with them for 6 months. I actually use Citi for all my personal spending including ATO & pay my business suppliers with Amex which works well.

I can see Citi canceling the ATO payments on the horizon though, they already do not allow their cards to be used on gambling websites ( which is a good thing ), since the Amex debacle they must have had a massive uptick with ATO spending, I've moved about $600k annual ATO spend to them & I'm sure I'm just one of many
 
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I'm with you on that one I would hate Citi to become the new Amex as I've only been with them for 6 months. I actually use Citi for all my personal spending including ATO & pay my business suppliers with Amex which works well.

I can see Citi canceling the ATO payments on the horizon though, they already do not allow their cards to be used on gambling websites ( which is a good thing ), since the Amex debacle they must have had a massive uptick with ATO spending, I've moved about $600k annual ATO spend to them & I'm sure I'm just one of many

Nice amount of points every year that you get.
 
Wonder if this is why they have discontinued the citibusiness gold card?

I doubt it. The CBG T&Cs actually disallow business spend too, rather bizarrely.

I don't know if I'm missing something here. I think if the ATO is paying less than 0.5% merchant fee on Mc & visa and points are worth 1.1% for cash back and much more as FF points (spending on the CC you're using), then it's a losing proposition for them in a big way. It's just the reverse of why it's attractive to consumers to pay by credit due to points value vs merchant fee?

The government merchant rate is actually 0.33% - and then Visa/MC have to take their cut too.

That said, this topic has been done to death before :) I am also in the camp that ATO transactions actually cost them money - why would they be trying to stamp them out otherwise? - but it is a valid point that there is more to a value of a customer than what one specific set of transactions may cost.

Back on topic, you don't need a brain to know that no 'person' is going to pay some stupid amount of tax a month. If you are straight everyday person PAYG, you won't even pay much tax at all if any.

If you are some high level executive or business owner, you would do whatever you can to minimise your tax liability, you are NOT going to pay $10000 tax a month.

What asg93e said. While I'm (unfortunately) not in this position myself, if I were I'd simply be paying that much tax. Some people who earn a heap can certainly legitimately "minimise" their taxable income to quite a degree, but a decent proportion (note: not everyone - before anyone jumps on me!) are basically doing it by lying to the tax office / doing things that are unethical or illegal. Not everyone has the lack of ethics required to do that.

I have a Citibank Select Visa Signature card and recently applied for a credit limit increase from around $35,000 to $50,000.

Their credit team called me back and informed me that I would not be receiving an increase and commented on some previously made business expenses charged to the card.

Aaannnd back to the original topic. This is exactly why I haven't requested a limit increase, even though I'd like to. It's been made pretty obvious in other recent threads in this forum that asking for a credit limit increase gets the attention of Citibank with regards to business transactions. So far only warnings have been reported, but no point "poking the bull", so to speak.

Was there any consequence for you, other than the limit increase being denied and the warning?

As I've said a couple of times over the past few months, I think the "end is nigh". The party is certainly not yet over, but the writing is on the wall. Hope I'm wrong though :)

I asked how some cardholders can make payments to the ATO and was told we have now become aware of this and are looking at stopping people making ATO payments on their card.

While I agree with the comment you made that one person saying this isn't likely to make a difference, it's still very bad form. :evil:
 
If you are some high level executive or business owner, you would do whatever you can to minimise your tax liability, you are NOT going to pay $10000 tax a month.

I do whatever I can to minimize my tax liability but I still pay way more than that. I don't know how many times I've heard " only poor people pay tax" well its just not the case, if you earn lots you pay lots unless you want to run the risk of going to prison. The more you earn the more you are on the ATO's radar because they have more to gain from auditing you.
 
I do whatever I can to minimize my tax liability but I still pay way more than that. I don't know how many times I've heard " only poor people pay tax" well its just not the case, if you earn lots you pay lots unless you want to run the risk of going to prison. The more you earn the more you are on the ATO's radar because they have more to gain from auditing you.

I think that what looks suspicious is wgen you happen to make large paymentd that just happen to look like they are on tge bas cycle.

How many people make their personal tax payments on exactly that cycle?
 
Tonight I improved my Plan B with Big 4 Bank Amex cards by increasing the limits on 3 cards. Sure I love having 4 different Visa cards that are generous and I drive them hard but I felt it is best to be prepared.
It has been running now for almost 4 years and I am hoping for a decade of no changes.
 
Yep. I agree. There are so many lovely games that can be stopped. I am a big believer in "you cannot have too many credit cards" to guard against individual institutions altering their offerings.
 
I've started using my CBA Amex for bas now instead of Citi sig select now using that for personal tax

Hoping CBA will cut me a bit of slack as I bank with them so they have a bit more invested in me than Citi

Probably dreaming though its all guessing games really. Probably best to just swap things around a bit now and then
 
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