Qantas Classic Reward & Upgrade Devaluation on 5 August 2025

I"m amused that Qantas bleats that they haven't increased the cost of reward tickets since 2019. They "forget" that the cost of the tickets we bought to earn the points to pay for the reward tickets most certainly did go up.
 
I can see the day coming ( In the not too distant future) where to get a business class long haul award flight one will need astronomical number of points, with no means to get there except for some corporate type high flyers. When that happens the airline FF programs will fall apart because most people will stop chasing those points , whether it’s from credit cards, wine , insurance or whatever
 
I"m amused that Qantas bleats that they haven't increased the cost of reward tickets since 2019. They "forget" that the cost of the tickets we bought to earn the points to pay for the reward tickets most certainly did go up.
And the earn rates for flights, credit card points etc don’t go up or go down!
 
And the earn rates for flights, credit card points etc don’t go up or go down!
Except they do! Qantas is increasing the points you’ll earn when flying them. At the same time the earn rates of points from partners does fluctuate if you follow the threads tracking this on the site. Some weeks we can score a solid deal on Qantas wine where the earn rate is 1.7 cents per points in other weeks the best we’ll get is 2.25 cents per points. Similar thing with gift cards. This week’s Woolworths offer is pretty meh IMhO whereas last week where it was 10x Qantas points for every dollar spent on Apple gift cards, that was an incredible earn rate particularly if you were going to spend the money at Apple anyway
 
I can see the day coming ( In the not too distant future) where to get a business class long haul award flight one will need astronomical number of points, with no means to get there except for some corporate type high flyers. When that happens the airline FF programs will fall apart because most people will stop chasing those points , whether it’s from credit cards, wine , insurance or whatever
Qantas aren’t stupid.

They’re not gonna let their FF program cash cow fall apart.

Their stated goal is to quadruple profits from the program by 2030 by *increasing* member motivation to earn.

They have smart people who believe Classic Plus can help achieve that, and they are probably right.
 
I"m amused that Qantas bleats that they haven't increased the cost of reward tickets since 2019. They "forget" that the cost of the tickets we bought to earn the points to pay for the reward tickets most certainly did go up.
Points earned on the ground is the way forward for QF in their eyes - I wouldn't be surprised if Points Club is expanded, or if something along similar lines but separate is introduced later this year.

As an aside, less than half of all Qantas points earned are from flying back in 2023, and I see no reason as to why this would have changed last year: Less than Half of Qantas Points Are Earned from Flying
 
Points earned on the ground is the way forward for QF in their eyes - I wouldn't be surprised if Points Club is expanded, or if something along similar lines but separate is introduced later this year.

If that's what they want, I'm OK with it. I fly about 75% VA domestically, 25% QF (mostly J) and maybe 10% QF internationally (all J). The only destinations I choose QF over other carriers is JNB and SCL and having flown those last year, no need to take QF at all in the future.

I'm just running the numbers on reaching QR Plat and it looks achievable on my current QR bookings, and a bit of others.

Ben at OMaaT (who has no QF/VA emotional attachment to the debate) sums it up

To me, the bigger issue is just that Qantas Frequent Flyer is an all-around coughpy program, and there’s little reason to participate in it, unless you don’t have a choice:

* The increased award costs are a negative development, but actually finding premium cabin award availability on Qantas is incredibly challenging, so the implications are sort of limited

*While more redemption options on partner airlines are great, rarely does Qantas Frequent Flyer have competitive award pricing, so there’s not much reason to book those awards through the program
 
I'm just running the numbers on reaching QR Plat and it looks achievable on my current QR bookings, and a bit of others.

Ben at OMaaT (who has no QF/VA emotional attachment to the debate) sums it up
Yes, I agree that QFF is basically sh*thouse, but for me it seems to be about the best for getting OWE, which is all I'm really interested in.

Otherwise Qantas is a bit of an also ran. But good luck to them. They've snared all of these (non) frequent flyers who have to spend their points somewhere. Sharp marketing at its best.
 
Ben at OMaaT (who has no QF/VA emotional attachment to the debate) sums it up

That’s an accurate statement from an American POV who can gain all their status and points through credit card churning.

But quite a misinformed statement for the Australian market which of course is where QFF is aimed. Perhaps that’s the no choice bit. It’s a great program to earn status, and better yet, not only can we use our status on oneworld but also 2/3 of the ME3 airlines.

If your focus is on earning and redeeming points perhaps something like Amex Rewards is more suitable. QF has its sweet spots for partner awards so again I think that’s a misinformed statement.
 
Qantas aren’t stupid.

They’re not gonna let their FF program cash cow fall apart.

Their stated goal is to quadruple profits from the program by 2030 by *increasing* member motivation to earn.

They have smart people who believe Classic Plus can help achieve that, and they are probably right.
Classic plus is a huge scam
I suppose each to their own!
 
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Qantas aren’t stupid.

They’re not gonna let their FF program cash cow fall apart.
Correct. There needs to be tangible benefits to earning those points. And if they pull a Delta where the points required not only fluctuate thanks to dynamic pricing but also are insanely high (i.e. 500,000+ for one-way business to the Americas) then people won't be motivated to earn points. Say what you will about the classic award pricing structure, but I think when people see 108,400 points for business to LA they see it as something that is attainable for them (irrespective of whether there is availability when they need to travel).
Their stated goal is to quadruple profits from the program by 2030 by *increasing* member motivation to earn.

They have smart people who believe Classic Plus can help achieve that, and they are probably right.
Classic Plus (or shall we say Points+ Pay 2.0) alleviates one of the criticisms of award chart based programs namely the lack of availability when people want to travel. Now we could argue whether paying 2-3x more for a Classic+ award is worth it, but I suspect there are a decent number of "frequent flyers" who built up quite the point balance but could never find a flight when they want to travel. This will help alleviate that.
I estimate 1% of my points would come from flights. I am rounding up.
Ditto.
If that's what they want, I'm OK with it. I fly about 75% VA domestically, 25% QF (mostly J) and maybe 10% QF internationally (all J). The only destinations I choose QF over other carriers is JNB and SCL and having flown those last year, no need to take QF at all in the future.
Although even then, I'd argue the other carriers offer more availability and arguably a better product. Certainly I've had success helping my relatives book tons of LA flights to SCL using QF points, but struggle to find QF operated flights to SCL (at least in business). As for Joburg, remember there's also Virgin Australia/South African that fly to JNB.
I'm just running the numbers on reaching QR Plat and it looks achievable on my current QR bookings, and a bit of others.
To each their own. What I like about the QR program is it is easier to maintain status (compared to QF). For instance, I believe once you qualify for Platinum it's half the number of status credits to retain. On the other hand, QR isn't as generous at doling out status credits and they don't have a lifetime status program. As an aside, (and maybe you're already aware of this) Qatar has a fast track program to Platinum whereby you can earn that status by taking just one flight with them provided you are Accor Diamond (they'll fast track you to Gold if you hold Platinum status with Accor). As an aside to that aside, one could earn Diamond status more easily using accelerator memberships like ALL Signature (which earns you 12,000 status points every year towards status).

Maybe Qantas is trying to do so.

This time last year I could easily get a next week ex MEL trans tasman economy seat for 18000 points.

Now most options are CR+ from as low as 32,200.
It remains to be seen whether the introduction of CR+ reduced the number of classic reward seats available. Certainly I haven't had issues finding classic award seats when I want to travel, particularly on partners. Remember too that lack of classic award availability is a major gripe for many on this forum, particularly those interested in heading to Europe.

-RooFlyer88
 
It remains to be seen whether the introduction of CR+ reduced the number of classic reward seats available. Certainly I haven't had issues finding classic award seats when I want to travel, particularly on partners. Remember too that lack of classic award availability is a major gripe for many on this forum, particularly those interested in heading to Europe.

-RooFlyer88

Absolutely, in fact my last couple or WP releases have been flights with CR+ availability. If QF were serious about “forcing” people over they would have stopped this.
 
And if they pull a Delta where the points required not only fluctuate thanks to dynamic pricing but also are insanely high (i.e. 500,000+ for one-way business to the Americas) then people won't be motivated to earn points. Say what you will about the classic award pricing structure, but I think when people see 108,400 points for business to LA they see it as something that is attainable for them (irrespective of whether there is availability when they need to travel).
Excellent comparison, albeit for completely the opposite reason.

Delta miles have a fairly fixed value of about 1.3c/pt USD for card holders outside of niche cases (the American equivalent of Brisbane to Longreach). That is 2.06c/pt AUD.

That is more than Qantas points are now worth in almost all circumstances, except for, of course, as you point out Brisbane to Longreach or routes on which there is next to no classic award availability (eg Australia to North America).

The universally-derided Skypeso is worth considerably more than a Qantas point.
 
QF and other frequent flyer loyalty programs are not worth it anymore
Just wait for sales and book the Cheapest fare especially in International business class QF is a greedy low quality airline anyway I will never pay to fly them internationall

QF and other frequent flyer loyalty programs are not worth it anymore
Just wait for sales and book the Cheapest fare especially in International business class QF is a greedy low quality airline anyway I will never pay to fly them internationally
lousy service, many staff who have poor attitude to flyers; Qantas lost the charm long long ago.
 
If QR Privilege club could earn on domestic Australian routes it would be the absolute perfect program.

Am I missing something (serious question)? Does this have to be attached to an international itinerary maybe?

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This is 5% of the QRPC Plat initial qualification.

Interestingly (for me), the equivalent on QFF will earn 120SCs, 8.5% of QFF Plat initial qualification.
 

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