Qantas Club Dress Standards...Stubbies, singlet and thongs....What the???

[jojen]

So if I'm flying JQ, a LCC, it is OK to look low cost in the lounge :shock:

From my observations and what I was told last week YES , but I am sure you would not do that Buzz !!

jojen

 

[footy99]

So if I'm flying JQ, a LCC, it is OK to look low cost in the lounge :shock:

So the official line from Qantas is the new dress code for 6 of its domestic lounges, excluding all others, applies only to QF members flying QF metal. It doesn't apply to members of any other program accessing the lounge, or QF members flying with another airline, or where the lounge is also used for international flights, anyone flying internationally? To be clear: QF SG flying QF = no thongs allowed, QF SG flying JQ = thongs fine, CX SG flying QF/JQ = thongs fine.

That new dress code simply being exclusion of people wearing footwear with a toe divider and no ankle strap - Qantas's new definition for "thongs" although it isn't publicly stated anywhere - with no discretion available to lounge staff to make a judgment call where that definition excludes footwear that no-one on the planet considers thongs, or allows footwear we all know as thongs. In fact, smart casual assessments have been removed completely - the person either fits the technical guidelines set out on our internal memo or they don't (the contents of said memo being deliberately concealed from the public).

I must have that wrong somewhere. It's one thing to disagree with a policy but there could be no conceivable rational explanation for application like that surely?

 

[JohnK]

Why is it so difficult for people to wear shoes in public?

 

[Alanslegal]

Can't believe the amount of fuss over thongs - yet for me it's more annoying about poor lounge manners like not talking on their phones discreetly or even video chatting, jumping the queue at the buffets or the folks (and some wear business suits, not thongs) who decides its acceptable to use their fingers to pick up food.

I wish people who report/comment to lounge staff about others guests wearing thongs .... should also nab people who talk too loudly too. It will definitely make my lounge experience much better because I want a relatively quiet and comfortable place, to read a magazine, have a quick bite before my flight. I don't want to eavesdrop nor need to eavesdrop because some selfish person ten meters away wants to talk as loud as possible.

 

[wooley]

Can't believe the amount of fuss over thongs... And the rest...

Couldn't agree more... Who cares about thongs it's generally all the DYKWIA wankers who ruin it...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Why is it so difficult for people to wear shoes in public?

There are several reasons. Comfort, convenience, and medical for example.

 

[clazman]

What defines offensive, Is it the beliefs of the angel on the door or beliefs of the company?

An American wearing a shirt saying back to back world war winners, is this acceptable?

 

[Groundhog]

Lame question: Are these thongs, sandles or shoes? (So I'm prepared for my NZ trip next week!)

Those look like Jandals to me Bro. Should secure automatic upgrade to J upon site. Choice!!!!!!

 

[serfty]

Can't believe the amount of fuss over thongs - yet for me it's more annoying about poor lounge manners like not talking on their phones discreetly or even video chatting, jumping the queue at the buffets or the folks (and some wear business suits, not thongs) who decides its acceptable to use their fingers to pick up food.

I wish people who report/comment to lounge staff about others guests wearing thongs .... should also nab people who talk too loudly too. It will definitely make my lounge experience much better because I want a relatively quiet and comfortable place, to read a magazine, have a quick bite before my flight. I don't want to eavesdrop nor need to eavesdrop because some selfish person ten meters away wants to talk as loud as possible.

While that's an ok sentiment it off topic ... it and other similar posts belong in a different thread.

This thread is about loumge "lounge dress code" not "poor lounge manners".

 

[bryanjones]

This really annoyed me yesterday. Jeans, smart polo shirt and thongs, why the thongs? My shoes had been hosed close to death and hence dripping wet after quarantine inspection on return from PNG.

maybe they could hire out slip on type shoes like golf clubs hire collared shirts, RedRoo

P.s how do you tag someone?

 

[Alanslegal]

While that's an ok sentiment it off topic ... it and other similar posts belong in a different thread.

This thread is about loumge "lounge dress code" not "poor lounge manners".

Fair point, I'll talk about 'poor lounge manners' whenever the next appropriate thread pops up.

Back to thongs, since I am not allowed to wear my thongs into the lounge anymore but can I get in with:- Ugg Boots , Marc Jacobs Gumboots, Vibram Five Fingers, Kangoo Jumps, Dunlop Volley, Dunlop KT26, Birkenstocks, Cannondale Cycling Shoes. I can source any of those shoes for my next F lounge visit so am tempted to give those ago just for fun and because I can

 

[JohnK]

There are several reasons. Comfort, convenience, and medical for example.

The medical reasons are understandable. The rest aren't.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The medical reasons are understandable. The rest aren't.

I guess the flip side to the question you asked earlier ('why is it so hard..?') would be 'why do some people feel the need to control others?'

There is little difference, in a practical sense, between an open toed sandal and a thong. There is little difference safety wise, and there is certainly nothing 'offensive' about the latter compared to the former.

So, why do we feel the need to control someone else over something so irrelevant?

What feelings does seeing someone in a pair of thongs in the club lounge evoke? Are those feelings valid?

Do people object to thong wearers because they think they are lazy? Do they object because they think thongs are cheap and the person must therefore be from a lower socio-economic class? Some other reason?

Do people feel club membership is a status symbol that validates their success? Do they feel someone exhibiting traits which might detract from that notional success need to be punished?

What message do we send to children when we tell them it is 'ok' to pick on a pregnant woman simply because of the type of shoe she is wearing? People get bullied at school for less. We shouldn't be demonstrating that type of behaviour as adults.

 

[JohnK]

I guess the flip side to the question you asked earlier ('why is it so hard..?') would be 'why do some people feel the need to control others?'

It's not about control. Well I don't think so.

It is about stopping people doing whatever they want wherever they want without any regard for those around them. We continually see people pushing boundaries and getting away with it.

It is never OK to have feet on seats or tables. Ever. Regardless of how clean people think their feet are. Thongs/sandals come off so easily. Shoes/socks don't. I also think t-shirt, shorts and thongs are scruffy. Something you wear at the beach or in your backyard. I like dress codes. RSLs. Casinos. Nightclubs. Qantas lounges.

It is never OK to have loud conversations in public. I come into the lounge to relax not listen to waffle that does not interest me. We don't do enough to discourage this and people are pushing that boundary more and more. Skype conversations with work and family, conference calls etc. It's not on.

It is never OK to grab food without utensils provided yet I see it happening regularly.

I won't show any respect for anyone who does not have any regard for those around them.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It's not about control. Well I don't think so.

It is about stopping people doing whatever they want wherever they want without any regard for those around them. We continually see people pushing boundaries and getting away with it.

It is never OK to have feet on seats or tables. Ever. Regardless of how clean people think their feet are. Thongs/sandals come off so easily. Shoes/socks don't. I also think t-shirt, shorts and thongs are scruffy. Something you wear at the beach or in your backyard. I like dress codes. RSLs. Casinos. Nightclubs. Qantas lounges.

It is never OK to have loud conversations in public. I come into the lounge to relax not listen to waffle that does not interest me. We don't do enough to discourage this and people are pushing that boundary more and more. Skype conversations with work and family, conference calls etc. It's not on.

It is never OK to grab food without utensils provided yet I see it happening regularly.

I won't show any respect for anyone who does not have any regard for those around them.

I agree with almost everything you mention... but all of them have some real (rather than perceived) basis for implementation.

Feet or shoes on tables is unhygienic. Talking loudly detracts from a relaxing environment, and may impede people trying to do some work. Picking up food without utensils is unhygienic (way worse than feet on tables).

But a thong versus an open sandal? I don't share your passion against it... (although I'm open to be convinced!)

 

[daturtle]

My Crocks cover the toes and have an ankle strap. By the sounds of these regulations they are acceptable footwear. I however would never wear such into as any lounge. I think this footwear regulation is flawed. YMMV.

What has been seen cannot be unseen.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

It seems Qantas has yet again updated the terms and conditions regarding the dress code.

As recently as 22 April the wording was this:

10.7 Smart, casual dress standards apply at all times. For example, bare feet, thongs, beachwear and clothing with offensive images or slogans are unlikely to be acceptable. Entry may be refused at the discretion of the lounge employees if customers do not meet these guidelines. Individual lounge managers will have discretion to administer these standards as they reasonably deem appropriate in the circumstances.

As of now (or yesterday or whenever...) the revised wording is this:

10.7 Our lounge is a place where you can sit back and relax before your flight. To ensure an enjoyable experience for everyone, please follow our smart casual dress guidelines. Our team will decline entry if some items of clothing are too casual or inappropriate. This includes bare feet, thongs, beachwear and clothing with offensive images or slogans.

 

[PLANT]

Anyone dare to get a screen printed shirt saying Qantas 10.7 WTF?
On the back Virgin rulz!

 

[JohnK]

But a thong versus an open sandal? I don't share your passion against it... (although I'm open to be convinced!)

I am not trying to convince you.

I see thongs and sandals the same. Casual. Sandals are not smart casual.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What is kind of interesting is the construction of the 22 April and current clause 10.7.

Reading the rest of the QF Club terms and conditions, you'll see that while in plain English, they are fairly 'legalistic' in nature... straightforward and to the point.

The old 10.7 matched this. Now however, it starts to get flowery. It starts to introduce 'spin'. No longer is it just 'smart casual dress code applies', it now talks about your holistic experience. And how that experience will be marred by someone wearing a pair of thongs. It's unusual.

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/qantas-club-terms-conditions/global/en