Qantas Delays/Cancellations

...Thursday 7 February...

QF117, the 1550 hours mid afternoon SYD - HKG is expected to depart 55 minutes late but going on the allocated gate numbers, it is not being formed by the delayed QF118 or QF84 arrivals ex (respectively) HKG and SIN....

The PEK - SYD QF108 arrived 62 late at 1517, forming QF117 that did not take off until 1740 despite pushing back at 1657. It has A333 VH-QPF and should arrive at HKG at 2328, 73 late.

This will delay redeye QF118 back down to Sydney to an expected 0040 ex HKG, 65 late with Friday 8 February arrival at 1315 hours, 70 late.
 
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On Thursday 7 February 2019, QF497, 12205 hours last of the night's SYD down to MEL was still as at 2259 in the short queue for takeoff (behind a CI flight). Aircraft is A332 VH-EBN.

As jb747 reminded us, the key is whether ATC gives clearance prior to 2245 for an aircraft to take off: it may then do so during the curfew. There can also be a role for the Federal Minister for Transport's delegate.

UPDATE: QF497 was airborne to the south at 2303 hours.

QF72 (1910 hours redeye SIN to PER, A332 VH-EBA) took off at 2014 so on Friday 8 arrival should be at 0109, 39 late.
 
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Hey there Melburnian, today I was booked to fly Qantas BNE-CBR on QF1549, departing BNE at 14:10.

Sat in lounge with family until about 15 minutes before flight, no announcements, so went down to gate. At gate still no announcements, but just before scheduled departure time I noticed that there was no actual plane physically present - then saw a few people chatting to the staff, and a queue quickly formed... I jumped in the queue and heard others saying the flight had been cancelled. It was all very orderly - everyone got new boarding passes for the next flight that left at 15:30 hrs. It was way too orderly - felt planned in advance. No pax were upset, as we all got on that next flight just an hour or so after the scheduled one. My impression was very strongly that two flights had simply been merged into one.

The impact on me was small but hurtful. This was a special trip for my family that I had booked three months in advance - securing all of row 1 for our party of 4. On the alternate flight we were placed randomly around the J cabin. It was full, but through my own proactiveness I managed to at least get my two daughters sitting together.

It really feels that this change was simply an amalgamation of un-full flights. Do they do this??
 
Hey there Melburnian, today I was booked to fly Qantas BNE-CBR on QF1549, departing BNE at 14:10....It really feels that this change was simply an amalgamation of un-full flights. Do they do this??

juddles, since I don't work for an airline, I can't give a definitive answer, but your experience brought back a memory of when I was on an AN flight (737 I think) from MEL to CBR probably 20 years ago and we had 11 passengers. That was my 'smallest number on an RPT major airline' experience.

Did you happen to notice how full the economy section was?

Remember that in the conditions of contract between we travellers and Australian domestic airlines, guaranteeing same day uplift and arrival is not stipulated, but airlines suggest they'll use their best endeavours to get us to our destination on the day we've booked.

In the last week, yesterday was the only day on which this flight had been cancelled.

There could be other reasons, such as an inoperable plane or unavailable flight or (less likely) cabin crew.

However domestic flights cost thousands of dollars to operate, as Mattg recently highlighted in an article for we AFFers.

QF and its competitors are not altruists. Lke any passenger carrying business, surface or air, the number of travellers booked (or in the case of unbooked surface travel, who front) will vary markedly from day to day.

It's not in airlines' interests to spend $40,000 in operating two return flights if the revenue is only $15,000, and passenger numbers are small.

If there are large timetabled gaps between flights, it's probably less desirable to cancel a flight due to low bookings because it results in travellers waiting hours. And if a route runs once a day, it means a legacy airline may have to put passengers up in hotels if no alternative route is available same day.

Low passenger loadings would often have to be the case both ways because if flights were busy one way, cancelling a return flight means the airline has a problem in one direction in how to reaccommodate passengers without (in the case of CBR to BNE) having to send some via SYD, adding much time to a journey and annoying travellers who because it is QF have in many cases paid higher fares than on VA.

A 1410 hours departure is too early for those who had a full day's meetings in Brisbane to return to Canberra, so one could call it an offpeak flight. However one might expect the return flight from Canberra to be busier, especially when Federal Parliament has been sitting, as usually it doesn't sit on Fridays, especially the House of Representatives.

Thursdays are probably busier than Tuesdays and Wednesdays on most Australian domestic routes, but not as busy as Fridays (or Sunday afternoons).

So on balance, it's highly likely that all up there were fewer than 125 passengers (in total) booked on these two B717 1410 and 1530 hours departures. I agree with you that low bookings is a probable cause of your 80 minute delay.

Airline staff often decline to give out information (or sometimes may not know, and unfortunately can tell untruths as well if they do know) but did you ask anyone as to the cause of cancellation?
 
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Airline staff often decline to give out information (or sometimes may not know, and unfortunately can tell untruths as well if they do know) but did you ask anyone as to the cause of cancellation?
In true airline parlance I'm sure the answer would be 'operational reasons'.
 
QF8, the Wednesday 6 February 1955 hours DFW to SYD departed at 2034. However, A388 VH-OQD then diverted to BNE, where its stop was from 0602 hours to 0729. SYD arrival is expected at around 1010 hours, 95 minutes late.

Was this a medical reason, did the crew need to do a famous Quickstatus 'splash and dash' or (unlikely) were there misbehaving passenger(s) on board?
 
Was this a medical reason, did the crew need to do a famous Quickstatus 'splash and dash' or (unlikely) were there misbehaving passenger(s) on board?

Was on this flight late last year and same thing happened. Apparently due to wind conditions around this time of year they need to refuel in BNE.
 
Was on this flight late last year and same thing happened. Apparently due to wind conditions around this time of year they need to refuel in BNE.

abanat, while it may not sufficiently help on such a long sector if the winds are adverse, does QF sometimes restrict the number of passengers booked on QF8 to (with fewer of these and less luggage) reduce weight?
 
A388 VH-OQE on QF2, the Thursday night 7 February 2019 LHR to SIN and SYD due to depart at 2045 hours took off at 2113 but then returned to LHR. QF is showing a new departure time of 2330 hours ex London (1030 AEDT).

It would have had to dump fuel.
 
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It appears that QF2 diverted back to London due to pressurisation issues (VH-OQE)

We must have been concurrently writing.

Apparently a cargo door warning light was showing:

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/wo...to-london-after-take-off-20190208-p50wgc.html

So yet another problem for QF2, after the Tuesday night (5 February) departure was put back 24 hours, arriving in Sydney this morning.

UPDATE: The expected departure time has become midnight (1100 AEDT, the time I am writing).

Much more delay and as on Tuesday night, the flight crew will be out of hours, and apart from that, LHR with its annual cap on aircraft movements of 5800 between 2330 and 0600 seeks to limit night flights as much as possible.

Let's see if passengers have to overnight as they did on Tuesday night in London.
 
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The troubled QF2 (VH-OQE) has just pushed back in LHR at 0010 on Friday 8 February 2019, 205 minutes late.

This will mean a shift for the flight crew of just under 17 hours by my quick (not totally accurate!) calculations, under the normal maximum permissible limit of 18 hours (that jb747 told us could be stretched to 20 hours by agreement).
 
When the QF8 goes to BNE unexpectedly (and I believe it was due to weather based on what I can see) a gas and go isn't possible with the same crew due to duty hours. As the decision to divert was probably made last minute, a replacement crew was not possible, so it flew empty down to SYD and passengers rebooked on other flights with 2 pilots flying up first thing this morning to bring it back to SYD.

abanat, while it may not sufficiently help on such a long sector if the winds are adverse, does QF sometimes restrict the number of passengers booked on QF8 to (with fewer of these and less luggage) reduce weight?

QF8 always has about 80-100 seats blocked in Economy year round. Sometimes when there have been disruptions or cancellations in DFW I have seen them send it to BNE in order to take more passengers to clear the back log.

By the looks of it, there is the potential for this to happen again tomorrow.
 
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Just here in Sydney, we’ve been advised that movements are suspended due to storms. Let’s see how long this will go for
 
As at 1844 AEDT, one or two flights had just departed SYD but the intensity of the storms according to the BOM website looks about to intensify if the 64 km radar is any guide.

Inbound flights are badly delayed in some cases.

QF2031, the 1720 hours ARM down to SYD took off at 1806, about 30 - 35 late with Q300 VH-SBJ. While arrival is showing as 1918, 38 late, it may well be later than that, and in a worst case scenario given the weather, some planes may have to divert.

The PQQ - SYD QF2175 is similar, with Q400 VH-LQK predicted to arrive at 1913, 43 late, but the same qualifier applies.

Like a large number of other flights, QF448, the 1645 hours MEL - SYD northbound that took off at 1739 is holding southwest of Sydney in the usual position near Gunning. Arrival for B738 VH-VYD is nominally 1904, 49 late but again, this is weather (and ATC) dependent.

B717 VH-NXI on QF1558, 1435 hours ADL - SYD was already badly late in becoming airborne at 1638. As at 1843 it was also holding with arrival claimed for 1904 hours, 124 late but probably likely to understate the delay.

UPDATE: QF2175 arrived at 1936 hours in Sydney, 66 minute slate, not 43 late as suggested above, showing how much delays compound with seriously wet weather and numerous aircraft trying to land (and take off).
 
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Earlier on Friday 8 February 2019, QF19, the 1225 hours SYD up to MNL departed at 1314 with forecast arrival 1816, 46 late. This will delay departure of the QF20 redeye back down to Sydney by at least half an hour, but this flight often picks up time on a gate-to-gate basis provided it is not delayed too long on the ground at the congested MNL airport.

'The 35', quite often late, again is so on Friday, having pushed back in MEL at 1304 with SIN arrival likely at 1755, 50 late.
 
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In further re Friday 8 February 2019, QF2214, the 1710 hours ABX up to SYD took off at 1756, about 36 late. Q400 VH-LQM remained in a holding pattern as at 1930 so if the aircraft does not divert, it may arrive SYD some time after 1955 hours, so at least 90 minutes late.
 
Yesterday (Thursday) my flight from MEL to DPO QF2051 was a very scary flight due to weather conditions. Pilot couldn't land so we were diverted to LST and bussed across to Devonport!
I was late for my meeting!
 
They just advised that QF will commence departures. My flight seems that has survived a wave of cancelations and I have a tentative boarding of 9 10pm. QF flight to Sunshine Coast has been cancelled by Qantas link. The queue of QF customer service outside lounge is a pretty long, close to the escalators.
 

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