Qantas Flight Attendant Wore Palestinian Flag Pin on Their Uniform

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But with that said, had I been a passenger with this FA, as a Jew, I absolutely would have felt intimidated. I have had convoys driving through my suburb, which is a hotspot for people of my faith, with Palestinian flags chanting "from the river to the sea" with no intention other than to provoke and instil fear. I have seen anti-Israel and anti-Jewish posters plastered over 'free the hostages' posters, again in my area, which has one of Sydney's largest Jewish populations. I have seen the steps of the Sydney Opera House flooded with these same flags while chants of "gas the Jews" ring out. So when you view the FA's actions through this lens, it shouldn't be difficult to see why a Jewish person may have felt intimidated in these circumstances, being trapped in a metal tube travelling through the air, with minimal (no) safeguards and protections.

One thing that I've really come to grapple with over the last few months is that multiple things can be true at the same time - it may be true that the FA wasn't harassing anyone and didn't have the slightest intention to do so, but it may also be true that someone could nonetheless feel intimidated by the flag in a confined, inescapable environment.
I am so sorry that you have been made to feel so uncomfortable because of your religion. It's just wrong, anywhere. Australia supposedly prides itself on its religious tolerance and largely secular society, and this is a clear demonstration of your point about multiple simultaneous truths being possible. I would hope that the FA did not intend to align with the extreme anti-Jewish views that were evident on the streets at the time. And I guess the potential for different interpretations of the action is exactly why QF does not want individual employees making political statements with their clothing or otherwise.
 
The post-October 6 demonstrations in Australia that were anti-Jew (as opposed to those that were pro-Palestine) were an international embarrassment and a sad indictment on our country. I cannot imagine what it would have been like to witness as a Jewish person in Australia.

I do feel, though, that there's a difference between wearing the flag pin of a country and, say, a pin that says "From the river to the sea". Wearing the flag of Palestine doesn't make you pro Hamas. I support Palestine; I do not support Hamas.
100% there is a difference. Unfortunately, a good portion of the pro-Palestinain group have themselves created the association between their flag and anti-Semitism. If you're out and about waving the flag and chanting anti-Semitic slurs that association is created.

I wonder how a Palestinian in Australia would feel if a flight attendant wore an Israeli flag. Or a Ukrainian passenger faced with a crew member sporting the Russian flag.
Incredibly uncomfortable I'd imagine.
At the end of the day, the issue if fundamentally that a flight attendant did not conform to the uniform guidelines.
Fundamentally, this is the issue at hand.

And that state has since split in two, with Gaza being run by Hamas.

If the elected government had control of Gaza, this conflict would be over.

Except the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their government in 2006 and they've been running the show since.
 
I think an important question not considered here is whether a line exists between acceptable accessories to wear versus making a political statement that offends passengers. I think if a pilot came on the PA and said something like, "Welcome to American Airlines flight 943 with service to Buffalo. We hope you had a wonderful holiday and hope Trump wins the Presidency this year." would be considered inappropriate. At the same time, I think it is worth noting that other airlines have fired crew for wearing flags in uniform, Air Canada fired one pilot over this tweet for instance:
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With respect that's a very naive view.

Countless threads on here of people trying to contact Qantas for urgent issues unsucessfully. This will likely go to an overseas inbox and a generic response will be sent.

Everybody knows you need to go public to get any response out of a big corporation. It used to be @'ing them on Twitter would name and shame them into action, but now even that doesn't work these days. Whether it's right or wrong, an article on news au will get a response within 24 hours.
I think the moment a crew member violates policy be it safety or operating procedures it needs to be documented. Yes it may embarrass the cabin crew but you cannot have a safe and respectable cabin if the rules are not followed. In this case, the pin thing, I'd argue that's relatively minor. But if you saw a crew member for instance, beating a passenger or forcing a disabled passenger to drag themselves off the plane (this by the way happened in Canada), then attention needs to be called.

A written report by the passenger would not be enough since it misses a lot of context the airlines need to know. For instance, if it is a safety issue they may want to know the particulars of what unfolded.
Didn’t read anything in that article saying that the FA was unable to speak that country’s national language… Wonder if the furious community leader bothered to ask? 🤔
Does Palestine have a national language? And if it does would it be the appropriate flag for the language? For instance, if their national language was English, the Palestine flag would not be helpful for customers, whereas a UK flag (where everyone knows the language is English) would be.
The FA in question has gone public indicating she will “fight against“ the pax who made the complaint should her career be jeopardised. The pax has identified himself and done media interviews.
I reckon the passenger would be protected by things like free speech and whistleblower laws. Some may argue Australia doesn't have a guaranteed right to free speech like other countries (i.e. USA). I would make the argument that it has never been tested to the fullest extent in court. Remember, even if the High Court of Australia ruled on such a matter, they aren't the final say on legal matters since it can go up to further tribunals internationally given free speech is largely recognized as a universal human right.
I’m not sure which flag is used for Arabic (guessing UAE given EK relationship ) but for Spanish it’s the flag of Spain regardless of whether they come from Spain or Latin America. A FA can’t just wear a Nicaraguan flag because they speak Spanish.
There are many people I know from Latin America who would object to the Spanish flag being used to represent their Spanish (as an aside a past time of my relatives when they were in the US was reading packaging that had instructions in Mexican Spanish and goofing on how the expressions didn't make any sense for someone from South America).
I would assume staff wrong is worse than a pax wrong.
Particularly if it is safety related!
Given the media attention already, QF would be very unwise to take action against the pax. Especially because that act only occurred because of the staff act.
What action could Qantas take in this case? Ban them from all future flights? Agreed that the media storm there would be furious, and I wonder too whether such a decision could actually be held up, particularly if it penalizes passengers for invoking rights they have.
Yea, I saw that in the news article and I understand that the pax was offended, given what's been happening with Israel & Palestine ... but my thought process is, yes, they are offended and they called it out .. but does it have to be called out in the or via news? Could there have been a different way this issue could have been handled ... again, there is no right or wrong answers and chances are I'm very off in my comment, but everyone does things that might offend/anger/irritate the next person ... but taking everything to a news outlet, is that the best way?
This is the 21st century, mate! Anything that could potentially offend someone has to be called out. Any opportunity to have a thoughtful discussion has been ruled irrelevant by the social media overlords.

Depending on your political views you may have been offended... but intimidated? By an FA on a Qantas flight? That's a bit precious.
Certainly not by a FA on a Qantas flight. But I reckon some people have been intimidated by QF the company, from ghost flights to bundle of rights there is much to be afraid of when flying QF.
Its no different than painting the plane with YES or pride stripes, or if the guy next to you is wearing a Collingwood shirt or a Holden hat. You might not agree with it but you are not in any Danger from it.
There is nothing political by painting pride stripes on the side of the plane. You are merely stating something that is now law in the country. Just as it wouldn't be seen as political for Qantas to have a plane painted in livery that says, if you drink, don't drive (with a Mothers Against Drunk Driving logo on the tail). I will, however, state that some people may be offended by the Qantas Retro liveries only to find out that they cannot smoke on the plane (something which you most certainly were allowed to do when the original QF flights were flying).

-RooFlyer88
 
Except the people of Gaza elected Hamas as their government in 2006 and they've been running the show since.

Not sure the point of this comment, the median age of Gaza’s population is 19 … almost half the country wasn’t alive for those elections and more still not old enough to vote.
 
To overcome the flag=language communication issue for absence of political inference a badge that says I am fluent in speaking x, y z may suffice.

Of course this wont satisfy pax we met on a tour who insisted the French speaking guide was underqualified as she did not speak Quebecois French. 🤦‍♀️


Maybe just get rid of customer-centric attempts all together (assisting those who cannot speak the language)…. as it is just too hard
 
Maybe just get rid of customer-centric attempts all together (assisting those who cannot speak the language)…. as it is just too hard
I no.😱....and here's me in trouble trying to understand the hotel receptionist in NZ 😉
 
There are many people I know from Latin America who would object to the Spanish flag being used to represent their Spanish (as an aside a past time of my relatives when they were in the US was reading packaging that had instructions in Mexican Spanish and goofing on how the expressions didn't make any sense for someone from South America).

It is still universally used as the symbol for Spanish (and I say that as a Spanish speaker who travels often to Spanish speaking countries), the same way as the British flag is used for English.

Sometimes you might see the Spanish & Mexican flags separated diagonally, and the British & US flags the same - but quite rare. Sometimes just the US & Mexican flags in a North American context, but that's even rarer.

In both cases the name of the language is shared with the country.

But yes well aware of differences in different Spanish dialects in the same way British, American, Canadian, Australian English differ. Usually not to the point of being unintelligible, but enough to sound weird (eg how you lot describe things as "addicting" instead of "addictive").
 
To overcome the flag=language communication issue for absence of political inference a badge that says I am fluent in speaking x, y z may suffice.
Issue there is how do you list which languages you speak? In English? Whilst that may be useful for those who speak English and the other language in question it will do no favours for those who are only fluent in the other language. You could print the language in the foreign language I suppose but some may take exception to that too as not being inclusive.
Of course this wont satisfy pax we met on a tour who insisted the French speaking guide was underqualified as she did not speak Quebecois French. 🤦‍♀️
There is only one French that is suitable, Quebecois French, tabarnak!

Joking aside, there are some open questions about which flag to use for which language. A really simple example that comes to mind is Chinese. Do you use the flag of the PRC? I think some historians would argue that the flag of ROC would be more suitable since technically that was the country that invented the language. Still others would argue that the flag of Honkers is most appropriate as there is only one true dialect of Chinese, Cantonese.
Maybe just get rid of customer-centric attempts all together (assisting those who cannot speak the language)…. as it is just too hard
Well that could also cause issues since then customers will then guess whether the FAs speak the language resulting in embarrassment in some cases.
 
Issue there is how do you list which languages you speak? In English? Whilst that may be useful for those who speak English and the other language in question it will do no favours for those who are only fluent in the other language. You could print the language in the foreign language I suppose but some may take exception to that too as not being inclusive.

There is only one French that is suitable, Quebecois French, tabarnak!

Joking aside, there are some open questions about which flag to use for which language. A really simple example that comes to mind is Chinese. Do you use the flag of the PRC? I think some historians would argue that the flag of ROC would be more suitable since technically that was the country that invented the language. Still others would argue that the flag of Honkers is most appropriate as there is only one true dialect of Chinese, Cantonese.

Well that could also cause issues since then customers will then guess whether the FAs speak the language resulting in embarrassment in some cases.
Good points
Yes - the language spoken is written ‘in the language spoken’ on the badge.
My final comment was serious but flippant ie it appears - and this is an observation not a judgement - that it is absolutely right for FAs who can assist customers do so in their language… it just appears to have become more complex than intended…
 
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Not sure the point of this comment, the median age of Gaza’s population is 19 … almost half the country wasn’t alive for those elections and more still not old enough to vote.

It was in response to this comment that implied that the elected government wasn't in control of Gaza. The fact is the elected government is in control of Gaza.

And that state has since split in two, with Gaza being run by Hamas.

If the elected government had control of Gaza, this conflict would be over.
 
There are many people I know from Latin America who would object to the Spanish flag being used to represent their Spanish (as an aside a past time of my relatives when they were in the US was reading packaging that had instructions in Mexican Spanish and goofing on how the expressions didn't make any sense for someone from South America).
So true. Had lunch in France with a Canadian friend of mine about 20yrs ago. She's from Montreal. She ordered both of our meals .... in French. From my - English speaking perspective - I thought she did brilliantly

The waiter was not so impressed. After he had taken our order he took my friend aside and spent 5-10mins correcting her grammar. I thought it comical ... she less so!
 
It was in response to this comment that implied that the elected government wasn't in control of Gaza. The fact is the elected government is in control of Gaza.

Sloppy wording on my part, but neither the elected president nor the body of the legislative council hold control of Gaza.

The Gaza Hamas members of the council refuse to take their seats and set up their own body in Gaza, leaving the central legislative council without a quorum. The hostilities continue with both sides promising and subsequently refusing to hold elections.

And this further illustrates my point that the "state" is most definitely functioning as two separate entities.
 
It was in response to this comment that implied that the elected government wasn't in control of Gaza. The fact is the elected government is in control of Gaza.
Given that the Israelis are in Gaza I wouldn't say the elected government has control of Gaza. I'd also point out that the implication that elected governments are inherently good and worthy of keeping their position of power is unfounded, at least by the historical record. Two examples which come to mind are Adolf Hitler's government in Germany throughout the 30s and 40s and Salvador Allende's government in Chile in the early 1970s.

-RooFlyer88
 
Though it is recognised by many countries as a STATE.
The State of Palestine has been accepted as an observer state of the United Nations General Assembly in November 2012. As of 2 June 2023, 139 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine. In contrast Israel is recognized by 165.
Speaking of flags, Qantas is an Australian flagged carrier. Australia does not currently recognise Palestine as a nation state (although Australia supports finding a two state solution, as a pathway to potentially recognising one in the future).

That said, I do have an issue with people who speak certain languages being forced to wear the flag of what they may see as an oppressive political regime, on their name tags, to indicate they speak a particular language. (Or indeed, people in parts of the world forced to wear the flag of a former brutal colonising regime, to indicate they speak a particular language.)

I also have an issue with people wearing a UK or USA flag on their name tags to indicate they speak English, when by the same flag convention, they should be wearing the St George Cross - England's flag.

I think airlines(/the world), probably need a better visual signifier, than a geo-politically aligned piece of cloth, to try to indicate what language a person may speak. (Our problem in English stems from designating; a political construct, geographic region, ethnicity, dna profile, or language, all with the same proper noun.)

Personally, in a multi-cultured world, I think a country's flag should be considered nationalistic not linguistic. (But I lack an alternative to suggest.)
 
That said, I do have an issue with people who speak certain languages being forced to wear the flag of what they may see as an oppressive political regime, on their name tags, to indicate they speak a particular language. (Or indeed, people in parts of the world forced to wear the flag of a former brutal colonising regime, to indicate they speak a particular language.)

They are not forced, no doubt they used their language skills to improve their job application or salary and showing the flag is part of the deal. This is just classic invented “offence-taking” for something that isn’t happening and even if it was, only the most thin skinned would actually take any offence.
 
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