QANTAS Founders Museum

jastel

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Recently did a 5500kms road trip out to western Qld, firstly the Dinosaur Trail, then Longreach, Qantas Museum, Stockmans Hall of Fame etc, into Brisbane to visit some friends and home. This is about the Qantas Founders Museum part of the trip.

Most Aussies probably know a bit about the history of Qantas and like me are quite proud of our iconic National Airline. I guess other people hate it just as much...you can leave now.

Paul McGinness and Wilmot Hudson Fysh were both veterans of Gallipoli when they met in the newly formed Australian Flying Corps in 1918, McGuinness was the pilot and Fysh the Gunner/Observer, just before the war ended Fysh also qualified for his pilot's license. After surviving the war as decorated aviators they returned home and being at a loose end the two decided to enter the Great Air Race for its 10000-pound prize money and to be the first to fly from Great Britain to Australia.

Unfortunately, their wealthy sponsor died before the race began and they could not enter, however the Australian government gave them the job to prepare (ie build as none existed) the landing fields for the upcoming race. Their section was from Longreach to Darwin. Off they set in a model T Ford with a mechanic and invented roads, basically following Leichardts route and took the car where none had gone before. They succeeded and built airfields and Fysh was in Darwin as the governments representative to welcome Ross and Keith Smith, the Race winners. Ross Smith was his former CO in the war and asked him where his uniform was.

Job done, they both remarked that flying was the best way to travel the vast distances of the outback, especially in the wet season when roads disappeared for months into a boggy soup, and had the idea to start an air service. McGuinness had helped wealthy, well connected grazier Fergus McMaster out of a bog and he was in on their idea as well. They formed Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services after a meeting at the Gresham Hotel in Brisbane and it was registered as a company in Winton on 16 November 1920. One meeting was held at the Winton Club but soon the office was moved to Longreach.

But barnstorming and joyflights would not pay the bills, and luckily the company won the new government mail delivery contract. Planes got bigger and could go further with more passengers and more routes were added, along with more mail contracts. They partnered with Imperial Airways for the new England to Australia mail/passenger route and formed Qantas Empire Airways. These early flights involved flying boats for the overwater sections and normal planes for the over land parts.

WW2 intervened and Qantas lost many of its planes and pilots.
After the war ended, the government nationalised QEA, and gave the domestic routes to the new TAA and the ANA/Ansett duopoly. QEA now government owned and backed, which was the way most countries were going, could now buy larger more expensive planes and expanded in every direction. With the the coming of the jet age and the Boeing 707 you could now get to England in 24 hours.

The museum stops about this time period as I guess most people can remember the rest.


The North Gregory Hotel Winton, this is hotel number 4 on the site but no doubt Qantas business was discussed in Winton in the early days. The first public reading of Waltzing Matilda was here as well.

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QANTAS Monument out the front. Fergus McMaster was a local and his support no doubt helped other locals invest in the new company

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Winton Shire Council cleared a landing site for Qantas

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The AVRO 504K, their first plane.

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One AGM meeting was held here as this was where the first registered office was.

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Only open on Friday nights.

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Through the glass door

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Glass Doors in the pub etched by artist Daphne Mayo - this one is Waltzing Matilda

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QANTAS

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First Landing field was around here

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The cut out signs are quite good with a blue sky.

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In Longreach now, they soon moved here as it was a larger town.

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Now Tourist Info

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The QANTAS Founders Museum

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Curved roof is Museum, old building is original Hangar

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Skypark with new roof

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Original Hangar

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There is an exhibition space there and this artist?? was on display

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The Endeavour Lounge - any of you guys remember this? Im too young.

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Was in the hump of the first 747

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The AVRO 504K replica, like the one at SYD Domestic

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Flight Attendants Uniforms

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Old trays

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QANTAS built their own planes under license in Longreach

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QANTAS founders were also willing to help out John Flynn but it was really only when the larger planes came along that they could fit a stretcher in that the idea took off.

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The outdoor area called The Skypark has the planes, depending on which tour you do you can go over them.
QANTAS Boeing VH-EBQ City of Bunbury 747-238.

FYI ALL planes ordered off Boeing by QANTAS end in 38, 38 is Boeings Customer number for QANTAS. The 7 Series was Boeings designation for Jets, the 4 means fourth variant, and the last 7 was added just because it sounds cooler.
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Qantas first 707-138 VH-EBA, ended up being a luxury jet, this is a sister plane to John Travoltas one.

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Super Constellation - painted as VH-EAM Southern Spray

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QANTAS Empire Airways DC3 VH-EAP Ex US Army C47 with double doors

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Inside the 707, still in luxury jet mode. A company (Not Qantas) spent millions refurbing it to sell to a sheik for $50million or something, he wouldn't take delivery as they had used pig skin leather in the coverings.

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In QANTAS days

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You can do wing walks on this, see the harnesses

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Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 used the plane. Michael nearly bought it but new engine noise restrictions in LA prevented it.

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coughpit

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747 Inside Tour
Black (Orange) Box

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A/C Piping

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Endeavour Club in the hump

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Looking through floor to hold, there would be a carpet trap door not a grill really.

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Under here you can manually pump the nose wheel down

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Ceiling Cables and wires for flaps etc

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Where the Endeavour Club was in the hump. They quickly realised it was not making money and turned it into business class.

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Pilots bunk behind coughpit

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I kicked the wheel and it spun around, you can still see the part where it was last landing, now it is on stands and bolted down.

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I paid extra for a "Wing Walk" on the 747, this included a more thorough tour of the plane than the general Skypark tour, which was a quick tour of the planes.
We could look at the coughpit from behind a rope on the normal tour but on the extra tour I was sitting in the Captains seat pushing buttons.

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Me watching the first pair wing walk, you are in a harness and chained on to the safety rope and get nowhere near the edge but it is a different view of the plane.

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Me on the wing

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Original Hangar, the hangar cost QANTAS nearly as much as the first 2 planes they bought, and it had no walls or concrete floor when it was new.

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QANTAS built 7 of these DH-50 in Longreach, this plane was the first with an enclosed cabin and a good plane for the Flying Doctor. Plane is a replica,

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Machinery

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Hangar

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All flying was daylight only in the early days, but the flat plains of NW QLD were good for night flying with the aid of a few beacons, this followed the lead of the US, which was much more populated, and in the flat centre states night flying was simple hopping from town to town via different coloured flashing lights.

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DH-61 Replica First QANTAS plane with a toilet!

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It was a good tour but a confusing booking system.

The tours are Captains Tour, First Class, Business Class and just the museum. They prefer to book online in advance, especially in busy school holidays. the Captains Tour which I wanted required 3 days notice, they wouldnt tell me why? As I came from the north I only had internet while in the small towns. I tried booking in but the website kept failing.

Also a flat tyre or breakdown means you might miss the appointment anyway. Fair enough if you are booked out, I miss out, but the reason I think the 3 day thing applies is staffing...like the rest of Australia nobody is working out there except backpackers, who are no help at all for road conditions and local assistance. The actual guides were Australian but.

So I did the First Class tour, $150, this includes Museum, Hangar, Skypark and the 747 wingwalk. I had to pay extra $25, for the Luminessance Show. The Captains Tour includes everything in the First Class but also a 707 wingwalk and a lunch, I think it was $220.

I got there at 9:00am and saw the museum part, then my "First Class" tour was at 11:00. the words first clas, business class etc were never used, a guy just yelled out "11:00 tour come here". There is a check in desk there and you get flight tickets etc, but this was being renovated when I was there, maybe it is used when it is real busy...I checked in at the cafe.

The Skypark tour is all 4 planes generally, you dont go in the DC3 as there is only one door but it only 50 ft long and you can look. The other planes you enter the tail and come out the front so it like wait for everyone, make speech, move up repeat. This takes about 1.5 hours.

Straight after Me and 5 others did the 747 Wing Walk, this was more in depth, with just the guide and 6 of us. Two couple and me and another solo traveller, we went in pairs to the coughpit and the wing walk and while the two were doing that the others talked or explored the airplane by themselves.

Then I went to the hangar and was thrown out as the museum was closing at 15:00? The hours change in Winter when they are busier. I got a passout and came back the next morning for another hour or so to finish the museum. I like to see everything.

I also could not get an answer on who this guy is and why he got a street named after him...

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Longreach Cemetery the next day.

These three guys were delivering a DH-86 to QANTAS from England, they landed at Longreach and were going to Brisbane, at dawn they crashed about 10 minutes from Longreach, some Kangaroo shooters were at the crash site in minutes but they all died...as well as a rep from Shell Oil Company who was hitching a ride.

The plane was technically not even delivered yet. The model was considered faulty as there had been other crashes with other airlines and was grounded until QANTAS engineers strengthened and redesigned the rudder part later on.

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The Captain

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The crew, they were all from UK and buried here, the Shell guy was claimed by his family.

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A few days later got to Brisbane and decided to find the Gresham Hotel where the first decision took place...the hotel was on the corner of Adelaide and Creek St...it was flooded badly in 1974 and demolished, a tall office building is there now.

BUT just around the corner on Queen and Creek St, in the old Bank is the Gresham Bar which has some old pictures and stuff inside.

Gresham Lane goes between Adelaide and Queen St, named after the hotel.

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It's a Gin Bar

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Old Bank now UQ, bar is in the left corner under big tree

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Original site of Hotel

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Pictures in Bar, Original Hotel in floods. Pub was also involved in the Battle of Brisbane.

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Edward Robert Drury the banker who built the bank the bar is in.

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Original Windows

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QANTAS

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Bar

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Walking to Museum for the Luminessance, crossing the railway track.

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At sunset they put on a sound and light show about the history of QANTAS

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The Movie Screen

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The Founders

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A bit about the War

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Excellent info thanks. That top photo of the railway track is superb
 
Great report thanks Jastel. It is great to see some people enjoying our own country and driving around. You see so much more this way.

I was lucky enough to have a few hours spare at YLRE in, I think 2012 and had a quick look through the museum and the planes. Then I drove past there many times in the truck during Covid, but never had time to stop. I would love to go back again.
It just really amazes me how things were and what people put up with to pioneer this country. The resilience these folks had is just mind blowing to me...
 
I hadnt been out there since 1988, I went to Expo 88 and drove back the inland way to see the NEW Stockmans Hall of Fame. The HOF doesnt seem to have changed one bit from memory...

The recent dinosaur fossil discoveries have really kick started tourism in the Winton, Richmond, Hughenden areas. There are plenty of caravanners out there now, though they will flee south after the holidays when it warms up. Check out Lark Quarry, Australian Age of Dinosaurs or Koronosaurus Korner if you like dinosaurs.

If you go during busy times you will need to book ahead for lots of these attractions. There are other smaller things to see like lookouts, bushwalks and billabongs etc but some needed a 4WD so I didnt do them as I only had a car. Most towns have an old museum or historical site but they all get a bit same same after the 5th one.
 
In Longreach I read about a "Secret WW2 Air Base" in Charleville, it was only another 2 hours in the wrong direction but hey let's go!

In WW2 when things were looking shaky in the Pacific, the US built a secret base in Charleville, it was chosen because it had a rail line, and was self sufficient in terms of water, power, food/farming and was NOT near the coast. IF the Japs invaded Brisbane the plan was to evacuate to Charleville, blowing up the roads and railways as we went.

The base was built properly with big bomber sized runways, proper mess halls and accommodation blocks, water and septic systems and housed around 4000 personnel at its peak.
They flew captured Japanese planes here and tested them "out of sight", and the town was considered "US Soil" according to the guide. There is not much left now but concrete slabs and some rusting bits of metal but they are finding more and more each year.

I had heard of the Brisbane Line but never heard of this place, very interesting. The main building is a museum and you can do a "tag along" tour around the base where you follow the guide in your car, then park at a site and he explains what it is.


Museum

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Mess Hall concrete slab, note the indentations for the stoves at the ladys feet.

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Dance Hall Stage, the Hall was moved into town after the war but has since burned down.

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Only remaining US Hangar, was used by TAA and others, now Flying Doctor.

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Some local heroes

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