Qantas increases A380 order

[Kiwi Flyer]

EK very much in the driving seat given how significant a % of total A380 orders they have.

 

[JohnK]

How are the delays to the A380 affecting Airbus?

Japan Airlines rules out Airbus A380

October 31, 2006

The head of Japan Airlines has ruled out buying Airbus A380 superjumbos because of the plane's delivery delays and a plan by the carrier to reduce the size of its fleet, according to a newspaper report.

JAL Chief Executive Haruka Nishimatsu told the Financial Times in comments published on Tuesday: "The A380 is a completely controversial concept to the present aviation market.

"The A380 has a much bigger problem than the (Boeing) 787 in terms of delivery."


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Airbus in Japan

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The A380 has forged even stronger partnerships between Airbus and the Japanese industry - and ultimately with the global aerospace industry as a whole. It is estimated that A380 programme business will bring around US $4.6 billion to the Japanese industry in the coming years, reflecting Airbus confidence in Japanese skills, reliability, technological leadership and quality standards.

Airbus aims to further strengthen its partnership with Japanese companies and build cooperative relationships that would benefit both sides for future business development.

With eight out of 10 main A380 routes expected to begin or end in the Asia-Pacific region over the next 20 years, Airbus sees Japan as a key market for the new aircraft.

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[Kiwi Flyer]

A little surprising that. Given the high density 747s used domestically, and lots of 747s used internationally to/from Japan I would have expected the local carriers to be interested in A380. Perhaps they are holding out for certification for higher pax loads than currently is the case?

 

[Altair]

A little surprising that. Given the high density 747s used domestically, and lots of 747s used internationally to/from Japan I would have expected the local carriers to be interested in A380. Perhaps they are holding out for certification for higher pax loads than currently is the case?

Osaka Itami has instituted a ban on 3 and 4 engine aircraft with some other Japanese airports planning to follow suit. The problem is the A380 and 747-8 are quieter then some current 2 engine aircraft!
AFAIK Narita and Haneda are the only slot restricted airports in Japan which the A380 is designed for.

 

[garyjohn951]

Interesting comments from Emirates chairman in Melbourne today. As noted emirates are sending an audit team to check on delays, but he said its not like we don't believe Airbus isn't telling us everything about the delays. Wow, what a trusting guy or do they know something no-one else does. see when they cancelled the A340's they went for 777 as he said in one comment in the interview, they at least fly !

 

[JohnK]

Thai Airways have not ruled out cancelling their order for 6 A380's and Fedex have cancelled their order for 10 A380's.

Thai Airways warns on A380 order

A senior Thai Airways executive has said the airline cannot rule out cancelling its order for six Airbus A380s because of production delays.

Wallop Bhukkanasut told Reuters that late delivery of the superjumbo planes would force the state-owned carrier to alter its long-term business plan. Airbus has said problems with the A380 would result in two-year delivery delays and cost it $6.1bn (£3.3bn).

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Fedex ditches Airbus for Boeing

Fedex has cancelled its order for Airbus aircraft and switched its order to rival Boeing instead.

Fedex Express said it had cancelled its order for 10 Airbus A380-800F superjumbo because of delivery delays.
Instead it has ordered 15 Boeing 777 freighters - to be delivered between 2009 and 2011 - and has an option to take a further 10 aircraft.

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[oz_mark]

A report in todays Fin Review says Geoff signed the contract for the A380's on Tuesday.

 

[JohnK]

Interesting that the A380 has managed only 166 firm orders, 156 passenger models from 14 different airlines and 10 freighter models from UPS. The first order was placed over 6 years ago and still no delivery.

Airbus have revised the break even number of sales to 420, increased from 270, and expect to sell a total of 750 A380's. Industry analysts anticipate between 400 and 880 sales by 2025.

 

[Altair]

Interesting that the A380 has managed only 166 firm orders, 156 passenger models from 14 different airlines and 10 freighter models from UPS. The first order was placed over 6 years ago and still no delivery.

Airbus have revised the break even number of sales to 420, increased from 270, and expect to sell a tota of 750 A380's. Industry analysts anticipate between 400 and 880 sales by 2025.

Interesting numbers how the break even has nearly gone up by the exact number of airframes sold, indicating that they will end up being sold at cost. I guess the later airframes will not be as affected by the delay and the compensation amount is not as much as the earlier ones, which QF indicated that it had reached the maximum monetary amount....but QF got some extra A330's....

 

[JohnK]

Thai Airways wants compensation as well. Notice the spelling of Qantas!

THAI warns it may cancel A380 order

(dpa) - Thai Airways International (THAI), the national carrier, on Wednesday insisted that Airbus compensate it for delays in the scheduled delivery of six A380s at the same level that other airlines receive from the European airplane manufacturer.

"The compensation can't be less than that given to other airlines," said THAI President Apinan Sumanaseni.

THAI and Airbus are currently negotiating the level of compensation the national carrier will receive, but if the talks fail the order of six A380s, Airbus's leviathan aircraft that can carry 555 passengers, may be cancelled.

"Cancellation will come if the negotations fail," Apinan told a press conference at Bangkok's Suvarnabhumi Airport, where Airbus landed a test A380 on Tuesday.

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[Shano]

Which makes me think that there is a chance that some of these order cancellations may materialise as 747-8 orders.

 

[oz_mark]

Qantas signs firm order for eight additional A380s

Airbus Press Release

Qantas signs firm order for eight additional A380s

Qantas signs firm order for eight additional A380s
21 December 2006


Qantas Airways has signed a firm order for eight more of the world’s largest and most advanced passenger aircraft, the Airbus A380, taking the total number of A380s ordered by Australia’s national carrier to 20 aircraft.

The formal signing, which also covered an additional four Airbus A330-200s, took place at a ceremony in Sydney on 21st December, 2006, attended by Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Geoff Dixon, Qantas Chairman, Margaret Jackson, Airbus President and CEO, Louis Gallois, and Airbus Chief Operating Officer – Customers, John Leahy.

The orders follow a commitment announced by Qantas in October 2006.

 

[Soundguy]

Great..... with the level of debt the new owners have taken on it just needs another sudden downturn like September 11 for the whole show to go belly up.

And the stupid @#&$%'s in government will then no doubt pump in taxpayers money again like Ansett; more socialistic than the Soviets ever were.

 

[JohnK]

And the stupid @#&$%'s in government will then no doubt pump in taxpayers money again like Ansett; more socialistic than the Soviets ever were.

I am sick and tired of paying off other people's debts. This is not a another one I would appreciate added to the list.

OT but I have a large shareholding in IAG and I am still paying, a small portion of my dividends is deducted, for the HIH collapse. What has my shareholding go to do with the criminals that caused HIH to collapse I will never understand.

 

[Mal]

People need to keep in mind that the "new" 8 mentioned above is actually the same 8 mentioned at the beginning of the article. It's just the contracts have now been signed.

 

[oz_mark]

I am sick and tired of paying off other people's debts. This is not a another one I would appreciate added to the list.

There is such a thing as good debt.

Oc course when you are left carrying the can for someone else's debt its a bit cough!

 

[oz_mark]

People need to keep in mind that the "new" 8 mentioned above is actually the same 8 mentioned at the beginning of the article. It's just the contracts have now been signed.

...and the 4 A330's mentioned are ones we already knew about

 

[Mal]

Oh and additionally, without new planes, Qantas will get themselves into massive dramas.

I wouldn't be suprised if they went and bought a few more Airbuses if the price was right...