Qantas international routes not resumed

[yachty]

The linked website post suggests the A380 will be reduced to 2x per week:

'eff 14JUL24 First Class reservation on A380 is now only available for reservation on Day 16 from MEL, Day 46 from LAX'

I wasn't seeing that last night in the GDS, hence the question. Interestingly when I run the same search this morning it's showing as zeroed out on dates where I was getting F9 yesterday. So disregard my q

 

[jase05]

Agree with this - QF23/24 (and the new Finnair operated flights) are so hard to get CR redemptions even in Y - and the J cabin is always full (even when I was WP I never got a points upgrade). I wish this would be a double daily route - the demand seems to be there but maybe even the J seats dont sell at a high enough yield....

MEL-BKK has the double daily on TG and there always seems to be J rewards available. I don’t know about their loads and yield but I’m surprised QF havent got a daily on that route

 

[jrfsp]

Will be interesting to see where the freed up capacity from the US reduction goes

 

[Himeno]

Will be interesting to see where the freed up capacity from the US reduction goes

putting a 787 back on HND?

 

[HS-TQE]

MEL-BKK has the double daily on TG and there always seems to be J rewards available. I don’t know about their loads and yield but I’m surprised QF havent got a daily on that route

IIRC, the JQ frequencies on this route vary during seasons. It's usually at least x3 weekly outside of peak.

XJ had attempted MEL-BKK but got smashed by JQ on the low yield budget end and TG on the high yield leisure end, and withdrew after a year on the route.

 

[elanshin]

putting a 787 back on HND?

For JP summer? Seems like offpeak travel period for Aussies to JP.

Maybe try to boost frequency to EU with Olympics happening.

 

[anyonebutqantas]

MEL-BKK has the double daily on TG and there always seems to be J rewards available. I don’t know about their loads and yield but I’m surprised QF havent got a daily on that route

Where are you seeing TG award availability? I've tried searching on Aeroplan and never see it.

 

[anyonebutqantas]

I wonder if their entry to oneworld will prompt Oman to start up an Oman Air service direct to Australia.

 

[jase05]

I wonder if their entry to oneworld will prompt Oman to start up an Oman Air service direct to Australia.

Doubtful I’d think. They are more of a boutique airline IMO and will probably leave the Australian flights up to their Qatari buddies

 

[jase05]

Where are you seeing TG award availability? I've tried searching on Aeroplan and never see it.

I booked through Aeroplan for March and found 2xJ seats MEL-BKK easily and both daily’s often had the 2 J seats. I’ve just checked March again now and seeing J seat availability

 

[RSD]

It would be interesting to learn what HKG tourist numbers are like after the riots and what not

 

[yachty]

It would be interesting to learn what HKG tourist numbers are like after the riots and what not

The most recent three months of 2023 (that have data published - Aug/Sep/Oct) show total arrivals are more or less back where they were in 2019. That is to say nowhere near the pre-protest numbers.

I've omitted 2020, 2021 and 2022 since they're not comparable, but if we compare these three months you can see the difference:

	2019	2019	----	2023
Aug	5.9m	3.9m		4.0m
Sep	4.7m	3.1m		2.8m
Oct	5.9m	3.3m		3.5m

From HK Census and Stats Dept.

I picked those three months only as they're the most recent available for 2023 from the Stats Dept, and also the closest to their 2019 counterparts. May/Jun/Jul 2023 were still very low in comparison to 2019.

 

[RSD]

The most recent three months of 2023 (that have data published - Aug/Sep/Oct) show total arrivals are more or less back where they were in 2019. That is to say nowhere near the pre-protest numbers.

I've omitted 2020, 2021 and 2022 since they're not comparable, but if we compare these three months you can see the difference:

	2019	2019	----	2023
Aug	5.9m	3.9m		4.0m
Sep	4.7m	3.1m		2.8m
Oct	5.9m	3.3m		3.5m

From HK Census and Stats Dept.

I picked those three months only as they're the most recent available for 2023 from the Stats Dept, and also the closest to their 2019 counterparts. May/Jun/Jul 2023 were still very low in comparison to 2019.

Cheers! I was wondering whether HK had lost some of its shine - looks like people are finding it a much less attractive place to visit now.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the U.S. when the inevitable Trump-fed rioters go nuts.

 

[tomlee1986]

The most recent three months of 2023 (that have data published - Aug/Sep/Oct) show total arrivals are more or less back where they were in 2019. That is to say nowhere near the pre-protest numbers.

I've omitted 2020, 2021 and 2022 since they're not comparable, but if we compare these three months you can see the difference:

	2019	2019	----	2023
Aug	5.9m	3.9m		4.0m
Sep	4.7m	3.1m		2.8m
Oct	5.9m	3.3m		3.5m

From HK Census and Stats Dept.

I picked those three months only as they're the most recent available for 2023 from the Stats Dept, and also the closest to their 2019 counterparts. May/Jun/Jul 2023 were still very low in comparison to 2019.

I am speaking as a person born in HK with Chinese heritage, the fact is that what happened in 2019 had destroyed many hker's hearts and they are leaving more rapidly than arriving. And also people do get fear on what will happen to them if the west and China go to possible conflict including war. I don't like to spread fear, but the case of 2 Michaels in China is a case in point on being hostage because of it

 

[RSVKanga]

It would be interesting to learn what HKG tourist numbers are like after the riots and what not

After the riots, National Security Law and the HK Government’s draconian Covid lockdown and border policy during 2019-2021, Hong Kong’s image is permanently damaged. It’s no longer the booming financial metropolis acting as a bridge between Asia and the western world. Really hope they can recover as much as possible though.

 

[tomlee1986]

After the riots, National Security Law and the HK Government’s draconian Covid lockdown and border policy during 2019-2021, Hong Kong’s image is permanently damaged. It’s no longer the booming financial metropolis acting as a bridge between Asia and the western world. Really hope they can recover as much as possible though.

i disagree with you on 1 thing only - recover as much as possible - that will never happen as HK is dead even if the law is repealed. The people wont trust the HK government ever again unless it is back in UK rule

 

[dajop]

It’s no longer the booming financial metropolis acting as a bridge between Asia and the western world. Really hope they can recover as much as possible though.

Hong Kong's loss has been Singapore's gain. Anecdotal evidence of a number of companies moving regional HQ to the city state and one of the factors in the rapidly increasing rents in the private housing market in Singapore (up to 100% increases).

In 2017 we had a big presence in HKG along with other regional offices housing different functions in BKK and Shanghai, now all consolidated in Singapore (grown from 1 employee in 2017 to 130 now). HKG office closed last year.

 

[p--and--t]

When traveling in mainland CN nearly 20yrs ago we were told the CCP machine has been planning for decades to replace HK with Pudong as the financial capital and hence the huge investment and iconic building there across the river from the Bund.

 

[tomlee1986]

When traveling in mainland CN nearly 20yrs ago we were told the CCP machine has been planning for decades to replace HK with Pudong as the financial capital and hence the huge investment and iconic building there across the river from the Bund.

I would agree with you on that statement when it was made 20 years ago, but i disagree now with Xi JinPing as leader, what he did to Shanghai is similar to HK now... The reason being Jiang Zemin was more into $$ and building China, but Xi is hell bent in returning to cultural revolution days

 

[Ansett Nostalgic]

When traveling in mainland CN nearly 20yrs ago we were told the CCP machine has been planning for decades to replace HK with Pudong as the financial capital and hence the huge investment and iconic building there across the river from the Bund.

Shanghai can never replace HK because they don't have common law or a freely convertible currency.