Qantas Platinum One to Qantas Platinum

[cove]

I am noticing a slight shortage of sympathy.
AFF would not be the place to discuss getting shunted into J from First Class any time soon!
As for that special wine going onto back order well forget that too!

 

[amaroo]

if that is what drives you to fly an airline (which is the case for MANY frequent flyers), then changing to an airline where you are the top-jock again is very appealing.
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Shouldn't be an issue for the OP..........QF top-jocks - start with a C not p

 

[11sjw]

Shouldn't be an issue for the OP..........QF top-jocks - start with a C not p

Start with a C and rhyme with?????

 

[upintheair1987]

In writing my earlier post, I did so not wanting sympathy but to merely express my disappointment in Qantas and how little I believe they value loyalty. Whether, I have written 3 posts or 3,000. I’m not quite sure that should have anything to do with how a post is viewed.

In regards to my comment about meeting the criteria for Platinum One over two out of my three membership years, my point was that I achieved over 3,600 status credits in both my 2010 – 2011 and 2011 – 2012 membership years. In the 2012 – 2013 membership year, I achieved 2600 status credits on Qantas flights. You will recall that initially Qantas set the following criteria in order to achieve Platinum One. “Inaugural members will qualify based on flight activity throughout the year prior to 1 November 2011. Subsequent to 1 November 2011, Platinum One membership will be assessed based on flight activity during your membership year.” Whether Qantas decided to provide all inaugural members with a guaranteed two years of Platinum One is irrelevant to me, and I would assume the majority of you, as you would have met the criteria for remaining Platinum One in any event.

I have calculated how many Qantas flights I took during my 2012 – 2013 membership year. In total, 101 flights on Qantas operated aircraft and a handful on Oneworld partners. Is Qantas seriously advocating that I am not worthy of being considered one of its most loyal frequent flyers? A flight every 3.6 days. When Platinum One was launched, a Qantas spokeswoman said the following “People who are flying this much are almost living on aircraft, so what can we do to make sure that those people feel totally appreciated every step of the way? A lot of it is about high-touch recognition and service.” Is someone taking a Qantas flight every 3.6 days not considered to be “almost living on aircraft”? It appears that Qantas doesn’t actually value those people whom fly most, rather Platinum One is a status for those travellers flying five first-class return flights between Australia and London per year or twenty-three business class flights between Melbourne and Auckland.

Wouldn’t it be fairer to not only use the total amount of accrued status credits as part of the criteria to attain Platinum One but in addition to this also use flight segments flown on Qantas operated aircraft? Which is the case with American Airlines, Delta etc. And if the answer is no, interested to know why this is the case. I hope the above information gives greater context to my earlier post.

 

[Isochronous]

Sshhh, don't point out that some of us WPs get there on YUPPs on AAnother airline!

 

[Must...Fly!]

I have calculated how many Qantas flights I took during my 2012 – 2013 membership year. In total, 101 flights on Qantas operated aircraft and a handful on Oneworld partners. Is Qantas seriously advocating that I am not worthy of being considered one of its most loyal frequent flyers?

Most loyal? The definition of loyalty is a fluid one between members here. I am inclined to agree with you.

However this does not mean you are among Qantas' most valuable flyers.

They have set a bar of 3600/2700sc for P1 for a reason - it is not arbitrary. It is because there are a certain % (and number) of Qantas Frequent Flyer members that exceed that target. Any more and they have to increase the staff on the P1 SST (higher costs). Any less and it would be considered unachievable by most and not be worth the cost of Qantas implementing and continuing the program.

I understand your frustrations but if you think moving to Virgin is the answer I personally think you are asking the wrong question...

 

[cove]

Yes we booked a number of flights for Mrscove and mostly I tagged along while she gets to about 1700 in her first 3 months using DSC. I think it works for QF as we booked new flights.

 

[jeremyk]

In writing my earlier post, I did so not wanting sympathy but to merely express my disappointment in Qantas and how little I believe they value loyalty. Whether, I have written 3 posts or 3,000. I’m not quite sure that should have anything to do with how a post is viewed.

In regards to my comment about meeting the criteria for Platinum One over two out of my three membership years, my point was that I achieved over 3,600 status credits in both my 2010 – 2011 and 2011 – 2012 membership years. In the 2012 – 2013 membership year, I achieved 2600 status credits on Qantas flights. You will recall that initially Qantas set the following criteria in order to achieve Platinum One. “Inaugural members will qualify based on flight activity throughout the year prior to 1 November 2011. Subsequent to 1 November 2011, Platinum One membership will be assessed based on flight activity during your membership year.” Whether Qantas decided to provide all inaugural members with a guaranteed two years of Platinum One is irrelevant to me, and I would assume the majority of you, as you would have met the criteria for remaining Platinum One in any event.

I have calculated how many Qantas flights I took during my 2012 – 2013 membership year. In total, 101 flights on Qantas operated aircraft and a handful on Oneworld partners. Is Qantas seriously advocating that I am not worthy of being considered one of its most loyal frequent flyers? A flight every 3.6 days. When Platinum One was launched, a Qantas spokeswoman said the following “People who are flying this much are almost living on aircraft, so what can we do to make sure that those people feel totally appreciated every step of the way? A lot of it is about high-touch recognition and service.” Is someone taking a Qantas flight every 3.6 days not considered to be “almost living on aircraft”? It appears that Qantas doesn’t actually value those people whom fly most, rather Platinum One is a status for those travellers flying five first-class return flights between Australia and London per year or twenty-three business class flights between Melbourne and Auckland.

Wouldn’t it be fairer to not only use the total amount of accrued status credits as part of the criteria to attain Platinum One but in addition to this also use flight segments flown on Qantas operated aircraft? Which is the case with American Airlines, Delta etc. And if the answer is no, interested to know why this is the case. I hope the above information gives greater context to my earlier post.

I do agree with this now that you present it in this fashion....there is however at some point a line that needs to be drawn...I guess you should send them an email and request that 'flight segments' also get thrown into the calculation mix

 

[medhead]

So how many flight segments would you need to get P1. I had 118 flight segments in 2012. But didn't go over 2000SC. (Big part of the reason that I think the "live on aircraft" marketing to be a massive joke. I am surprised anyone actually believed that spin) So what level will you set that isn't going to be relatively easy to crack for anyone doing any serious flying.

 

[11sjw]

Wouldn’t it be fairer to not only use the total amount of accrued status credits as part of the criteria to attain Platinum One but in addition to this also use flight segments flown on Qantas operated aircraft? Which is the case with American Airlines, Delta etc. And if the answer is no, interested to know why this is the case. I hope the above information gives greater context to my earlier post.

Fair doesn't come into it. It's all about the amount of money spent with QF. Pretty simple really.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Fair doesn't come into it. It's all about the amount of money spent with QF. Pretty simple really.

I agree with you here.

It's financial loyalty/commitment - not time in air commitment.

If it were time in air or segments... everyone would be P1

I retained P1 with ~75 segments with an average of around 50-60 SC per flight. Over 3600 SC on QF flight numbers.

 

[simongr]

I could have done with a few DSCs this year as I will drop from P1 to WP even though I have flown more frequently on QF this year than last year...

I do like the AA system where you can be reecognised on either BIS, Sectors or (effectively) SCs. The thing is that on the AA system you would only just make their equivalent of P1 based on 101 flights...

 

[esquire]

Upintheair1987,

Similar to you I fly mainly domestic Y and for the last 5 years would have had enough SC each year to be P1 (if it was in place earlier) - I reached LTG in my first 3.5 years of membership. Whilst I am on track to maintain P1 again this year it is likely to be my last due to me relocating.

Like everything in life, not all P1 are equals - and from my experience, Domestic Y AirWarriors like us are not too high on the list (and are the minority in the P1 mix). I suspect one reason is in the end our SC to $ ratio on domestic is much better than those flying J & F and therefore we don't make as much money for QF.

I agree the number of QF flights should be considered somewhere in the mix if you fall short one year - and it may well be especially if you are only just below the 3600 but ultimately a level is a level.

Both of us see many more airports, more lounges, experience more crew, more safety announcements, more Y meals, more delays and more highs and lows than most and our true Qantas travel experience is not always realised. However your domestic options are realistically limited to VA.

...and as a VA Plat, the grass may be a different variety but it is certainly not greener.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

I could have done with a few DSCs this year as I will drop from P1 to WP even though I have flown more frequently on QF this year than last year...

simon ive been following your posts about this and I think it is a little unfair for you in a way, because you will maintain WP in your own right. Whereas, if you didn't even bother to fly QF at all, you'd still drop to WP - so from a gaming point of view you're in the same situation no matter what you do. It's like your loyalty this year counts for nothing.

In this respect I think you have a point in that a soft landing to WP2400 or a comp year at P1 makes sense.

 

[Mrmaxwell]

You are simply stating what everyone on here knows: the QF FF rules are not fair, do not make sense and certainly do not hold up to any mathematical proofing. The earning rules are there to be manipulated and any loophole exploited - hence one of the reasons for AFF's existence

Move on - we have.

 

[boomy]

QF value the P1 status at 60-70k.
May it be 5 MEL-LHR on F or 33 MEL-AKL on J or 180 MEL-SYD on Y.
It doesn't matter how anyone chooses to fly as long as the right amount of $$ is spent to reach 3,600 SC.

Is it fair to reward FF by the $$ they spend rather then the frequency they travel? QF is a business, in business the goal is to make profits, so it's fair.

 

[timmitch]

I flew over 100 times too and due to working booking red-e I don't make platinum unless I take some extra flights or status runs. So can I cry too about no DSC?

 

[simongr]

simon ive been following your posts about this and I think it is a little unfair for you in a way, because you will maintain WP in your own right. Whereas, if you didn't even bother to fly QF at all, you'd still drop to WP - so from a gaming point of view you're in the same situation no matter what you do. It's like your loyalty this year counts for nothing.

In this respect I think you have a point in that a soft landing to WP2400 or a comp year at P1 makes sense.

I hope Red Roo is watching this

I have had an odd situation so like most would love to have the rules bent for me but what I would love more is if QF openly explored the concept of loyalty and what it meant. We have different definitions here on AFF - wildly different. I made a conscious choice to fly QF this year - partly to achieve LTG and partly because I have mostly enjoyed my flights (compliments have been shared as equally as criticisms).

I will at least be WP until Sep 14 and if today's job interview went well - then who knows...

 

[Boogs]

Best of luck! I hope you get the job

 

[Jobu]

I on the other hand am looking forward to the day I dont qualify for P1.