Qantas refurbished 767 QF4 on HNL SYD

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Its the old CO Micronesia service.

Connection timing is pretty handy, as well. You get into Guam from Cairns at 0605, then the flight to HNL departs at 0715. The GUM-HNL service (about 7 hours) is on a 777. GUM-CNS is around 4 hours on a 737.
 
It is a shame their are no lie-flat options directly from Australia to HNL without going to NZ and then to HNL for a lie flat option, etc. Then again the QF HNL direct flight usually goes out full most of them time in J Class (with a lot of QF FF redemptions) and hence their is probably little insentive for QF to invest money in this aircraft to attract customers as they are already there.

It certainly is a bad option for a J Class product for that length of flight, but probably the best of the bad direct options as JohnPhelan has said. I to hoped Qantas would step up when they announced the refurbishement of the 767 and install new seating on this route or that they would bow to pressure like they did when the revealed their new A330 J seats and redo them with lie flat. Will be interesting to see who, if any carrier, will be the first to offer a lie flat business option direct to HNL.
 
Connection timing is pretty handy, as well. You get into Guam from Cairns at 0605, then the flight to HNL departs at 0715. The GUM-HNL service (about 7 hours) is on a 777. GUM-CNS is around 4 hours on a 737.

that GUM-HNL is on a domestic 777 with recliners. no flat beds
 
I am a QFF Platinum member and yesterday travelled from HNL on a newly refurbished 767 in Business. Ambience was OK. Seats are supposedly redesigned by Marc Newson however pitch is so short that if the person in front fully reclines a taller person behind cannot do the same because there is insufficient room for feet and knees. I could not even straighten my legs on the footrest when the seat in front was not reclined, and wound up having to place my feet on the floor on either side of the footrest. It appears as though the seats have only been designed (not very well) to cope with sub 1.8 m people and even then my wife who is also QFF Platinum (and sub 1.8 m) said that if the person in front of her had reclined she would have felt so closed in and uncomfortable it would have made her feel claustrophobic. Fortunately this did not happen as the seat in front of her was upright the whole journey. The new seats are not lie flat at all, and on a reasonably long haul flight (approx 10 hours) this is just not good enough. I got on the plane hoping to catch up on some sleep after paying full fare and I was unable to sleep even for a moment, because of the uncomfortable seats. I also found that the leather used in the seats appeared to have been treated with something that did not allow it to breath properly so my back and backside were sweaty the whole flight. I recently flew Q business to Bankok on a similar sized plane and the older seats on that plane were more comfortable even though they also did not fully recline. The pitch appeared to be better. I will not fly Q again on a refurbished 767, and cannot understand why they have compromised passenger comfort with these unacceptable medium to long haul seats. In the end I felt that I would have been more comfortable in an exit row economy seat for a fraction of the fare I had paid.

As a further complaint the Q entertainment system is not yet up and running properly in Business, and if you haven't brought your own iPad then you are handed a portable DVD player and a small case of movies. The DVD player does not work properly with the supplied headphones (volume will not go loud enough) and if I had not had a pair of very good earphones with me my wife would have been unable to hear anything. I was too uncomfortable to watch anything.

On the positive side the service from the cabin staff was outstanding, however not enough for me to ever consider flying on one of these Q planes again. I had flown over to the US on a 747 direct to DFW and although not perfect at least the seats (similar to those on the 380) were almost long enough for a taller person and did lie flat allowing some sleep.


Ok so you won't fly with QF to HNL again, who would you fly with?. I believe you got the best deal on that route.
 
I have never done the overnight flight SYD/HNL only HNL/SYD as I have found the Dreamliner seats adequate for a day flight & the points burn is less than ex LAX. As we were in SJU prior to our HNL stay the AA KUPP fare difference between a SJU/HNL & SJU/LAX fare was less than US$100.00 so it was more economical points wise to fly back from HNL as it was 72K points plus tax which actually got us two sectors HNL/SYD then SYD/DRW which we used a few months later.

Sometimes it's easier to fly Aust to mainland USA on a JASA, get a Skybed & have a couple of nights in LAX then back track to HNL. We're doing this in April & burned 25K QF points plus USD2.50 tax pp for a LAX/OGG partner award on AA then burning 32.5K plus USD52.54 tax pp for a VA partner award on HA HNL/BNE.

It will be interesting to see what HA is like in whY on their 767.
 
However from LAX there are also no Lie Flat/angled options to HNL. So if your solely going to HNL I would just go direct or via NZ. I believe the only US lie flat/angled options are only from DFW and SFO?
 
However from LAX there are also no Lie Flat/angled options to HNL. So if your solely going to HNL I would just go direct or via NZ. I believe the only US lie flat/angled options are only from DFW and SFO?

I have flown AA in F on a 767 DFW/HNL, LAX/HNL & OGG/DFW & while it is a recliner seat with footrest that stretches out it, the seat is at quite an angle/slope probably more so than the QF MKI Skybed so it's nowhere near what I would call lie flat.

I still maintain that it's a better option to fly to the West Coast first & have a couple of nights there before flying on to Hawaii. If you take a day flight you don't need a sleeper seat as it's just like flying SYD/PER. Another benefit is that if visiting one of the other Hawaiian Islands there are plenty of flights ex several US West Coast cities nonstop to Maui (OGG) Kona (KOA) & Kauai (LIH) so you avoid going via HNL & the sector fare HNL to the other islands.
 
However from LAX there are also no Lie Flat/angled options to HNL. So if your solely going to HNL I would just go direct or via NZ. I believe the only US lie flat/angled options are only from DFW and SFO?

There is an AA service to ORD at certain times of the year too
 
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I think we should all strike and not book any Hawaiian trips with Qantas all year. Maybe then they'll switch the aircraft to an INTL A330-200/300 that's currently hopping between Melbourne and Perth!
 
I think we should all strike and not book any Hawaiian trips with Qantas all year. Maybe then they'll switch the aircraft to an INTL A330-200/300 that's currently hopping between Melbourne and Perth!

"We" don't matter on this route. It has been long known as a honeymoon, leisure and ff point redemption route. When I flew it about 8 years ago I had a 743. If there was competition and or business travellers on the route then perhaps it will be upgraded.
 
I agree that the recliner seats do have that issue. If it is space you are after, and wanting to fly direct to HNL, QF have the most pitch out of the 3 carriers, so you are stuck between a rock and a hard place there!
 
This route with its loadings and old 767 aircraft must make it one of the most profitable in the QF routing table surely? How many times over the years have people been coming here to AFF complaining of bad experiences for their $8k+ J fare....not to mention full price Y PAX forking over $1399+ rtn!

Edit: J is currently on sale for the bargain price of $6636 rtn.
 
This route with its loadings and old 767 aircraft must make it one of the most profitable in the QF routing table surely? How many times over the years have people been coming here to AFF complaining of bad experiences for their $8k+ J fare....not to mention full price Y PAX forking over $1399+ rtn!

Edit: J is currently on sale for the bargain price of $6636 rtn.

If you're forking out thousands of dollars like the above amounts quoted I would fly the A380 to/from LAX for that money & do Hawaii in the middle of the trip.

HA often advertise package deals with return flights & accomm ex mainland USA. When you sign up for their ff scheme you'll get these emails.

The only times I've flown on QF4 have been on JASA's with the last time doing it HNL/SYD/DRW whick I broke into 2 trips so I felt I got my moneys worth.
 
Hate to admit it doing the SYD/HNL/SYD in Y 1st March, 4 of us in total, looking at seats avail via Ex. Flyer looks to be only about 1/3 full.
 
Hate to admit it doing the SYD/HNL/SYD in Y 1st March, 4 of us in total, looking at seats avail via Ex. Flyer looks to be only about 1/3 full.

Don't worry I am flying Feb 3 in Y - flight looks about 2/3 full. Points sale redemption then a SC run to the Caribbean. I swore after my 2010 QF3/4 experience I'd never do it again :oops:
 
Don't worry I am flying Feb 3 in Y - flight looks about 2/3 full. Points sale redemption then a SC run to the Caribbean. I swore after my 2010 QF3/4 experience I'd never do it again :oops:

Just remember that simply looking at a seat map has no bearing on how full the flight so it could be a full flight with the seat map 2/3 allocated.

There will be some people who are booked on the flight but haven't allocated seats yet & will leave it until OLCI or when they get to the airport.

If you want to avoid the QF3 overnight flight why not do your award ticket on an open jaw basis eg SYD/LAX - HNL/SYD then the status run LAX/XYZ then XYZ/HNL?

You would probably be in front points wise in & out of HNL which is 36K plus taxes pp IIRC. KUPPs are pretty similar ex HNL vs ex LAX.
 
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I didn't realise that QF flew the 767 to BKK - I thought it only the A330s with angled Skybed Mk I?

Yes, the BKK flight was on a 330. I found the seats more comfortable than the refurbished seats on the 767.
 
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