Qantas wins Shonky Award ... again

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Choice is doing a poll to take to the Federal Government regaring passenger rights - its quick - takes 2 minutes. Spread the word around and get them to complete it. Hopefully we'll be able to get something similiar to the Eu261 regulation protecting passengers rights. If we don't try - we'll never get it.
Done, in detail!
 
Problem fixed.
Some, but not all.

A lot of those particular issues don’t even involve the offshore call centres. Such as the autogenerated emails that say your schedule has moved by 10 mins, but don’t worry it’s all good. And then autocancelled by partner airline because QF didn’t reticket in time.
 
My better half just flew QF1 in business on a full freight ticket paid for by work. Told neither of their choices were available when asked for their dinner selection. When you are paying $15k surely it can’t be that damaging to the bottom line to double load each meal choice.

Eventually the tide turns.
 
My better half just flew QF1 in business on a full freight ticket paid for by work. Told neither of their choices were available when asked for their dinner selection. When you are paying $15k surely it can’t be that damaging to the bottom line to double load each meal choice.

Eventually the tide turns.
Or have a pre-order service? Whatever happened to that?
 
My last J flight with qantas was Sydney-Cairns. Lunch was (literally) a toasted ham and cheese sandwich accompanied by a half glass of wine. When I asked for a refill I was grudgingly given a further quarter glass.
 
How Joyce has held the job for the past year or so mystifies me. Not only that, he was just showered with $ millions in bonuses.

'The Buck stops at the top'. In all large companies.

Most staff appear to hate him, and a huge chunk of clients, so a mystery. Staff morale seems rock bottom, and their reputation has been battered for the past year.
 
Time for there to be an inquiry (maybe by our forthcoming corruption commission) about the appropriateness of the gift of CL and Beyond lounge memberships to politicians and senior public servants.

I read recently that Lufthansa for decades gave all German politicians a free Senators Club membership. Handing out the Federal Begging Bowl to guys who all have free 2000 Euro VIP Status, and who vote on the millions of free assistance sought, was not a good look - and so it should be here.



'Redaktionsnetzwerk Deutschland reports that a Lufthansa spokesperson confirmed the complimentary VIP Senator memberships have ended, and if desired, the members of parliament (some are now former members) can extend the Senator for 2000 Euro/year.

Furthermore, members are now only permitted ONE account and not two as it has been in the past following various political scandals about misappropriation of airline miles. Politicians are now responsible for disseminating and account for themselves which miles were earned by “on duty” flights paid by the government. Such miles can only be used for duty flights as per German law and ethics rules of the Bundestag.

This matter is solely about the complimentary Senator card and with good reason. While, according to the article, neither Lufthansa nor the Bundestag wanted to provide a specific reason for this case,
there have been clear conflicts of interest that emerged most recently when Lufthansa needed government approval for financial assistance during Covid.

In 2020 when Covid hit, Lufthansa got into financial difficulties to the point where they couldn’t repay passengers their money for cancelled flights. In long negotiations, the German Federal Government eventually agreed to a 9 Billion Euro rescue package for the airline. Lufthansa has since paid back this loan, and the German taxpayer made a good 1 Billion in profit. Nevertheless, the decision was in the hands of people who had profited for years, if not decades, from Lufthansa’s little gift (bribe) of a free Senator status.

In times where compliance is a huge issue in almost every company as well as in government, it always had a bitter taste that a German company is allowed to gift politicians something that’s worth the very least 2000 Euro per year. There is an official limit for presents in the amount of 200 Euro. Beyond that, the items have to be handed over to the President of the Bundestag, and they can be retrieved when the difference is paid by the member of parliament to the Bundeskasse. Obviously, the gifted VIP Senator exceeds this limit by 1800 Euro.

The final straw might have been the requirement of the government to make a direct, favourable decision to the benefit of Lufthansa, and it was ultimately decided that this is no longer an acceptable practice, let alone likely an illegal one as well.'
 
Some, but not all.

A lot of those particular issues don’t even involve the offshore call centres. Such as the autogenerated emails that say your schedule has moved by 10 mins, but don’t worry it’s all good. And then autocancelled by partner airline because QF didn’t reticket in time.
That situation can involve the call centre if you are aware of the risks of a time change and you proactively chase up the call centres to try and get your itinerary re-ticketed before you lose seats.
 
Should Australia have EU style passenger rights? Yes, and there’s two key reasons why such protections are useful:

First, EU passenger rights help keep fares low by forcing airlines to achieve operational performance. No longer can they get away with paying pilots, crew and other staff overtime when they delay your flight since now it’s not just a couple hundred bucks on the line but many thousands in customer compensation they must provide for long delays in terms of things like hotels, meals and cash compensation. This is precisely why low cost budget airlines like RyanAir, EasyJet and Wizz Air thrive in markets like the EU with their strict passenger protections. Second, amongst the less seasoned travellers who aren’t used to irregular operations and don’t have premium travel credit cards to insure such delays, they provide a layer of protection for them, offering hotels and cash to take the sting out of what was supposed to be a once a year getaway.

Having now travelled in Canada, which has similar travel protections to the EU, I can say that I did notice in a difference. When my connecting flight from Toronto to Saint John was cancelled, I was provided with meals and a hotel voucher no questions asked. Of course they didn’t tell me about APPR (which they were supposed to) but someone blurted that out loud and I ended up claiming that compensation online. They disagreed that they owed me compensation but provided a $500 eVoucher as a sorry. I’m still fighting them on appeal and hopefully within the next few months I’ll get the $1000 CAD owed to me in compensation. That being said, consumer protection in Canada for air travel is fairly new having been de facto introduced within the last 6 months. There are still kinks in the system including airlines who claim that COVID is an excusable reason for cancelling a flight (it isn’t we’ve had tools for >2 years now to prevent catching it).

Obviously Qantas, Virgin and the other airlines will fight any consumer protection legislation since they want to keep overpaying their employees and don’t see the benefits from running an excellent operation given the costs associated with investing in people, technology and infrastructure to support it all of which cut into Uncle Alan’s bonus. Speaking of OneWorld in general and Qantas specifically there needs to a passenger’s bill of rights for elite members. This is something Star Alliance has whereby if you have mid to top tier status and your flight gets cancelled you get hotels and meal vouchers from the airline for virtually any reason including weather.

-RooFlyer88
 
Done, in detail!
qantas Shonky and took hundreds of millions in Jobkeeper etc etc , never repaid Four Government. Lufthansa paid back its 3.5 Billion Euro Buyout/assistance last year. And in EU they, after some pretty rough waters with refunds due to COVID esp Lufthansa Gruppe, sorted it out. Qantas got into Credits becasue they could keep your money without actually providing a service. Howzat for creative accounting! And the lemmings keep queuing up to fly Qantas. IMHO they probably deserve the bad service since they chose to continue flying Qantas in spite of the media coverage about Qantas and its failure. And CEO will take home 6million , including a 4 million bonus! Howzat!!
 
Choice is doing a poll to take to the Federal Government regaring passenger rights - its quick - takes 2 minutes. Spread the word around and get them to complete it. Hopefully we'll be able to get something similiar to the Eu261 regulation protecting passengers rights. If we don't try - we'll never get it.
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How Joyce has held the job for the past year or so mystifies me. Not only that, he was just showered with $ millions in bonuses.
I think it's probably something to do with this...

Qantas share price surge as Joyce predicts profit

Don't get me wrong, I think the morale of the rank and file (those not outsourced anyway) may be at an unsustainable low. But to me as an outsider, the focus of the company seems to be 100% shareholder value and nothing to do with the customer 😣

hmmm... that BA Avios subscription is looking better every day...
 

I think it's probably something to do with this...

Qantas share price surge as Joyce predicts profit

😣


Well they must be the world's dumbest investors to be happy the share price has basically not moved up one iota in 5 years. :(

It is down to one thing - the incompetent and combative Allan Joyce .. get rid of him.

Any CEO who runs a national treasure so badly it gets awarded a SHONKY AWARD has to go.

That is a BILLION DOLLARS of terrible, terrible, publicity right there.


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