QF/AA JV Reapply, Cuts Codeshares, ½'s SC earn on many flights

[MarcB]

Oh, that's a kick in a teeth. I was hoping to do a Mid-June AA run. If I understand the PR correctly, the rates will drop after 1 May 2017. Boo.

Intra-US travel probably best credited to AAdvantage from 1 May??

 

[Cool Cat Phil]

Re: Qantas ditches American Airlines deal in joint venture manoeuvre

New earn rates for flights to/from USA as well as intra-USA have been published on QF website. It's a bit of a bloodbath. Rates intra-US in biz and first have been halved effective 1 May 2017.

https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/airline-earning#partner-airline-earning-table

Ouch!

Those Domestic AA flights don't yield well at all after May 1st.

Although from what I can see, those flights over 751 miles don't change ?

 

[futaris]

Intra-US travel probably best credited to AAdvantage from 1 May??

I don't think so. AAdvantage earn on AA is based on revenue ($)... EQD Elite Qualifying Dollars now.

 

[eastwest101]

Re: Qantas ditches American Airlines deal in joint venture manoeuvre

New earn rates for flights to/from USA as well as intra-USA have been published on QF website. It's a bit of a bloodbath. Rates intra-US in biz and first have been halved effective 1 May 2017.

https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/airline-earning#partner-airline-earning-table

Well thats an interesting if predictable turn of events - somehow we got to an enhancement and devaluation of the QFF scheme (specifically the AA earn for QFF members) out of what was originally a competition law/code share dispute with the US DOT.

If one were cynical, you would think that the DOT denial of the AA JV with QF was just a handy cover for a devaluation that Qantas probably already had planned.

 

[MarcB]

I don't think so. AAdvantage earn on AA is based on revenue ($)... EQD Elite Qualifying Dollars now.

But if you are buying J or F, surely better yield for the $$ than QF now?

 

[moa999]

Wow.
How is NYC/BOS-DFW classed as a competitive route.

And anything between
West Coast USA/Canada -- Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver
AND..
East Coast USA/Canada -- Boston, Charlotte, Miami, New York, Orlando, Toronto, Washington DC

Combined with the reclassification of First to Business, this smashes most KUP/YUP runs.

 

[flychrisfly]

Re: Qantas ditches American Airlines deal in joint venture manoeuvre

New earn rates for flights to/from USA as well as intra-USA have been published on QF website. It's a bit of a bloodbath. Rates intra-US in biz and first have been halved effective 1 May 2017.

https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/airline-earning#partner-airline-earning-table

????The latest update I see on that page is "For travel from 1 December 2015"

 

[moa999]

Re: Qantas ditches American Airlines deal in joint venture manoeuvre

????The latest update I see on that page is "For travel from 1 December 2015"

Read the specific entries before 30 April / from 1 May 2017 in the table to see the differences.

 

[shadowground]

Wow.
How is NYC/BOS-DFW classed as a competitive route.

And anything between
West Coast USA/Canada -- Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Francisco, Seattle, Vancouver
AND..
East Coast USA/Canada -- Boston, Charlotte, Miami, New York, Orlando, Toronto, Washington DC

Combined with the reclassification of First to Business, this smashes most KUP/YUP runs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there not still some value in intra-USA flights within the "coast". E.g. Flying LAX-PHX-YVR as even taking into account the reclassification of domestic First as Business, each sector would fall within the "other" category a earn 60SC per sector?

 

[moa999]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there not still some value in intra-USA flights within the "coast". E.g. Flying LAX-PHX-YVR as even taking into account the reclassification of domestic First as Business, each sector would fall within the "other" category a earn 60SC per sector?

Yes - Still 'some value'
HNL-LAX-DFW-MIA-JFK unchanged for example
Just the more direct flights are impacted.

 

[Himeno]

Re: Qantas ditches American Airlines deal in joint venture manoeuvre

New earn rates for flights to/from USA as well as intra-USA have been published on QF website. It's a bit of a bloodbath. Rates intra-US in biz and first have been halved effective 1 May 2017.

https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/airline-earning#partner-airline-earning-table

I guess this locks in what I'd been planning to do for my next RTW anyway now that the booking codes have changed and the D books into A on 2 class flights no longer works. Will have to check which domestic US routes have QF codeshares.

 

[Cool Cat Phil]

Yes - Still 'some value'
HNL-LAX-DFW-MIA-JFK unchanged for example
Just the more direct flights are impacted.

Thats correct.
The number of sectors departing/arriving from LGA for instance that fall in the +751 mile bucket and don't drop status credits.
Ie: ATL > LGA, MEM > ATL or BNA > LGA.

 

[JohnPhelan]

Re: Qantas ditches American Airlines deal in joint venture manoeuvre

If one were cynical, you would think that the DOT denial of the AA JV with QF was just a handy cover for a devaluation that Qantas probably already had planned.

No, I think it's a bargaining tool, pure and simple. DoT said the JV would be bad for consumers; QF and AA are proving that consumers will be worse off without the JV. I think they fully expect the Trump administration-run DoT to change its ruling.

 

[madrooster]

Combined with the reclassification of First to Business, this smashes most KUP/YUP runs.

The YVR/PTY run that I have previously posted is 100% unaffected by the changes and still yields very good earn even with the reclassification.

 

[Danger]

Oh God. How complicated can the earning tables get?

"See our points calculatorThis link will open in a new window. for the easiest way to find out how many Qantas Points and Status Credits you'll earn."

Except, no, the calculator hasn't been updated.

 

[flightobserver]

Wow.
How is NYC/BOS-DFW classed as a competitive route.

The old rate for DFW-NYC/BOS was higher than the equivalent distance rate so that the SC earn on an AA-coded SYD-DFW-JFK routing was the same as flying SYD-JFK direct on QF code. I suppose if partner earn is to be halved, then it makes sense to do so on this route as well. FWIW, the DFW-NYC/BOS rate is now LOWER than the equivalent distance rate.

 

[serfty]

Ok what's the new rate for LAX-SYD in I class?

It is currently 20 ...

 

[oz_mark]

Some other reclassifications

* Effective for travel on or from 1 May 2017, Qantas Frequent Flyer members will earn Qantas Points on American Airlines flights booked in G, N and S class in the Discount Economy earn category rate. For travel up to 30 April 2017, Qantas Frequent Flyer members booked in G, N and S class will earn Qantas Points at the Flexible Economy category rate.
± Effective for travel on or from 1 May 2017, Qantas Frequent Flyer members will earn Qantas Points on American Airlines flights booked in H class at the Economy earn category rate. For travel up to 30 April 2017 Qantas Frequent Flyer members booked in H class will earn Qantas Points at the Flexible Economy earn category rate.

 

[tyrolean]

SC on Partner Airline flights to North America enhanced form 1st of May

Just received an Email:


From 1st of May QF halves the SCs on partner (AA...) Flights to North America.


https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/airline-earning#partner-airline-earning-table


Just simpler and fairer!

 

[serfty]

Re: SC on Partner Airline flights to North America enhanced form 1st of May

Only for specific routes - such as between Dallas and New York or Boston, OZ and the USA.

Routes such as MIA-ORD or LAX-ORD in Business ("First") still earn what they have been (in those cases 60 & 80).