QF Business - PER to SIN - international transit lounge access

[Tropic]

Important to keep up with latest lingo. My 90 year old dad still says to turn on the wireless... and my teenager nephew checks to see if the wifi is on. While my neighbour's 12 yr old daughter stated recently that "radios are for old people who are too dumb to work a (smart) phone"....
Sadly, language, like the people that speak it, also grows old and is eventually forgotten...

 

[Danger]

Hi folks,

Travelling QF71 business Perth to Singapore. Can anyone confirm whether you still have access to Perth International Transit lounge or not?

im seeing conflicting reports that lounge access is now only for PER-LHR business flights, but when you search the lounge on QFs website, it says it's open prior to all international flights... or are PER -SIN business passengers now redirected go the old domestic business lounge?

What is the "old domestic business lounge"?

Never said there was.

I feel your post (the first one that took the thread off-topic) suggests otherwise.

 

[justinbrett]

I feel your post (the first one that took the thread off-topic) suggests otherwise.

Pointing out correct terms and insisting they be used are two different things.

You're free to call them stewardesses as well, but many will suggest you don't.

 

[RichardMEL]

Important to keep up with latest lingo. My 90 year old dad still says to turn on the wireless... and my teenager nephew checks to see if the wifi is on. While my neighbour's 12 yr old daughter stated recently that "radios are for old people who are too dumb to work a (smart) phone"....
Sadly, language, like the people that speak it, also grows old and is eventually forgotten...

I listen to the wireless on the radio app via wireless. What does that make me?!

actually, I don't want to know!

 

[11sjw]

What is the "old domestic business lounge"?



I feel your post (the first one that took the thread off-topic) suggests otherwise.

In what is now the Qantas Terminal there is a domestic Q club, dom J Lounge (technically it isn't very old though) as well as the International Lounge.

 

[serfty]

In what is now the Qantas Terminal there is a domestic Q club, dom J Lounge (technically it isn't very old though) as well as the International Lounge.

I guess it's a matter of perspective. The first time I used a Qantas lounge in PER was 1995.

 

[11sjw]

I guess it's a matter of perspective. The first time I used a Qantas lounge in PER was 1995.

The Domestic Business Lounge opened in 2015.

 

[BD1959]

You just had to allow enough time to go through immigration after the lounge

Passport control is the term

Rather than "immigration" wouldn't the correct term for outbound travel be "emigration"??

Regards,

BD

 

[justinbrett]

Rather than "immigration" wouldn't the correct term for outbound travel be "emigration"??

Regards,

BD

Refer post 14

The historic use of "Immigration" referred to the department of Immigration who conducted the checks, not the process of immigration, which a very, very small percentage of travellers are doing.

Same applies for emigration (which has never been the term), as only a very small percentage of travellers are doing.

Both terms relate to moving overseas permanently - arriving on a short stay tourist visa or a returning resident is not covered.

 

[Tropic]

Interestingly, the Australian Border Force website (Australian Border Force Website) refers to immigration clearance not Passport Control...

Eg:

Travel documents required for Australian citizens​

Australian citizens have an automatic right of entry to Australia, and do not require a visa. Australian citizens need only to present the following documents to officers in immigration clearance:

• a valid Australian passport or other acceptable travel document
• a completed and signed Incoming Passenger card.

 

[justinbrett]

Interestingly, the Australian Border Force website (Australian Border Force Website) refers to immigration clearance not Passport Control...

Eg:

Travel documents required for Australian citizens​

Australian citizens have an automatic right of entry to Australia, and do not require a visa. Australian citizens need only to present the following documents to officers in immigration clearance:

• a valid Australian passport or other acceptable travel document
• a completed and signed Incoming Passenger card.

it mostly uses Passport Control (as do the signs)

Australian Border Force Website

Our mission is to protect Australia’s border and enable legitimate travel and trade.

www.abf.gov.au

 

[Tropic]

Yep, passport control is obviously a critical step when going through the whole immigration clearance and customs process. Noone enters or leaves the country without going through immigration.

 

[Danger]

In what is now the Qantas Terminal there is a domestic Q club, dom J Lounge (technically it isn't very old though) as well as the International Lounge.

"Old" is what confused me.

 

[RichardMEL]

I presume passport control is PART of immigration clearance because the overall process also includes customs clearance too? Or is AQIS (is that the right term still?) separate to ABF? I always considered them part of ABF.

I've always thought of arrival processing as a two stage step of clearing passport control and then customs - I suppose technically though one is landed if accepted by passport control - as in the border is at that point - customs issues are separate I guess.

As for outbound, what we as pax see is the passport control (or smartgates) process point. I do agree that technically it should be called emigration. Almost nobody in practice would say "You need to go through emmigration"(and it sounds so similar to immigration that can be confusing). mostly it's passport control or even just "international departures."

As we know in some other places, like the US, that process is not explicitly handled at that point, but more or less done in the background when we check in for our international departure, and the airline (or ship or whatever) swipe passports and that, I assume, gets processed by CBP as an official record of departure from the country (one presumes the final record is sent to them once the actual flight has departed). In that sense there's no passenger facing "passport control"


as a side note though, at DFW the other week when departing on QF22 for MEL, they had facial recognition scanners at the gate. it was a fail for me but the agent was like "oh don't worry about that" (and this was after a manual inspection of passport, and at the actual gate reader, so they just scanned manually). I presumed that was to avoid manual BP scanning rather thn any CBP formalities. First time I'd come across it at the point of boarding and it was.. different. I wish it had worked for me!

 

[Quickstatus]

I suppose technically though one is landed if accepted by passport control

facial recognition scanners

Well, it's technically not even/just passport control. It is more than that: it is vetting of the person presenting at the checkpoint. While passports are the major means to achieve that, the whole process requires more than the passport, otherwise why ask passengers questions, take photos, fingerprints require visas/estas, proof of self supporting ability, outbound ticket, etc....For example, I have been admitted back into the country without a passport...(Yes thats another story)..

 

[justinbrett]

I presume passport control is PART of immigration clearance because the overall process also includes customs clearance too? Or is AQIS (is that the right term still?) separate to ABF? I always considered them part of ABF.

I've always thought of arrival processing as a two stage step of clearing passport control and then customs - I suppose technically though one is landed if accepted by passport control - as in the border is at that point - customs issues are separate I guess.

As for outbound, what we as pax see is the passport control (or smartgates) process point. I do agree that technically it should be called emigration. Almost nobody in practice would say "You need to go through emmigration"(and it sounds so similar to immigration that can be confusing). mostly it's passport control or even just "international departures."

As we know in some other places, like the US, that process is not explicitly handled at that point, but more or less done in the background when we check in for our international departure, and the airline (or ship or whatever) swipe passports and that, I assume, gets processed by CBP as an official record of departure from the country (one presumes the final record is sent to them once the actual flight has departed). In that sense there's no passenger facing "passport control"


as a side note though, at DFW the other week when departing on QF22 for MEL, they had facial recognition scanners at the gate. it was a fail for me but the agent was like "oh don't worry about that" (and this was after a manual inspection of passport, and at the actual gate reader, so they just scanned manually). I presumed that was to avoid manual BP scanning rather thn any CBP formalities. First time I'd come across it at the point of boarding and it was.. different. I wish it had worked for me!

I've since been reading and I believe Passport Control is the name of the facility, and you receive an immigration clearance (the service) from ABF at Passport Control inbound.

You do not receive an immigration clearance outbound. You definitely don't receive an emigration clearance.

The term "immigration clearance" comes from the Migration Act 1958, so is not easily changed- but again refers to the historic agency who gave the clearance (immigration), not the act of immigration - hence why emigration has never been the term. The word emigration doesn't even appear once in the Migration Act.

 

[11sjw]

Anyone have a decent "Thread Derailed" GIF?

 

[Tropic]

Anyone have a decent "Thread Derailed" GIF?

Nope but would Emoji for immigration.....er passport control suffice?

 

[justinbrett]

You think this is bad, check out the "Just when you thought you had seen it all in the Qantas lounge" thread...

At least this is still travel related!

 

[Danger]

Anyone have a decent "Thread Derailed" GIF?

Great idea. It's needed more than ever.

You think this is bad, check out the "Just when you thought you had seen it all in the Qantas lounge" thread...

At least this is still travel related!

Agreed. Very fair point, I feel.

I think this thread should probably be closed.