QF CEO receives 'cowardly' death threat

[Rebekkap]

This is more unethical and unreasonable, but sadly for the most part not illegal thanks to Rudd, Gillard and their winding back of important industrial reforms introduced under Howard.

Give me a break. Those "important industrial reforms" saw the lowest-paid workers stripped of around $100 a week. AWA workers around $100 'worse off' | thetelegraph.com.au

Australians loathed them because we generally have a sense of fair play - and even the Liberal Party admits they went too far.

 

[drron]

Your just proving my point, it has been done before and by better as you correctly state. Why did Abbott and Brandis bring it up only 1 month ago? Nothing new involved.

No,you have just proved my point.Google Craig Thomson.The affair has never gone away.It is basically a Union faction fight.
Remove the TA beam from your eyes.

 

[dfcatch]

Give me a break. Those "important industrial reforms" saw the lowest-paid workers stripped of around $100 a week. AWA workers around $100 'worse off' | thetelegraph.com.au

Australians loathed them because we generally have a sense of fair play - and even the Liberal Party admits they went too far.

Yes, absolutely correct. Although the article states quite clearly that AWA workers were making more than the Award. It just says those on collective agreements made more. Quite a misleading statement, because it really says that those on Awards (the official wage) got the least, AWA workers got more, collective agreement workers got more again. So actually, with the abolition of AWAs, those workers would now get a pay cut, if their employers choose to only pay the award.

But that doesn't make the "wind back" right, especially as the "wind back" went much further and handed back significantly increased power to unions.

It went much further than just reversing Workchoices.

 

[Rebekkap]

Yes, absolutely correct.

But that doesn't make the "wind back" right, especially as the "wind back" went much further and handed back significantly increased power to unions.

It went much further than just reversing Workchoices.

How? what measures specifcally do you claim went further and gave the unions more power?

 

[UP4014]

I'm surprised at the 'smart' people here who jump to conclusions about the unions involvement, more like a rouge employee and there are 36.000 of them with 1.000 not having a job shortly.

I thought some on this board had more ability to comprehend and considering it comes via the media which this board loves to jump on I am doubly surprised.

Matt

 

[dfcatch]

How? what measures specifcally do you claim went further and gave the unions more power?

I'm on my iPhone, so I will find an appropriate link later for you.

But given your quick linking skills, you my find it before I get a chance

 

[medhead]

Gruen is running an analysis of this now. Funny how they can recognize the importance for the qantas brand.

No,you have just proved my point.Google Craig Thomson.The affair has never gone away.It is basically a Union faction fight.
Remove the TA beam from your eyes.

Ok, it never went away. They've just been talking really, really quietly for 2 years. So quiet that it has been like silence. :shock:

Union fraction fight? So which faction is Abbott in? Abbott is trying to gain power out of something that is nothing more than union infighting, as you inform us. Again when has Abbott ever jumped up and down about a public company paying the credit card bill for an employee? I've been entertained on the company purse - that isn't fraud.

 

[drron]

Sorry medhead.You might not think the Union faction fight is not important but i can assure you a lot of hospital workers do.
Remove your blinkers.TA is a bit player in this story.JG is a much more major player having leapt to the defence of the Member for Dobell right at the beginning when Krudd was still PM.

 

[medhead]

Sorry medhead.You might not think the Union faction fight is not important but i can assure you a lot of hospital workers do.
Remove your blinkers.TA is a bit player in this story.JG is a much more major player having leapt to the defence of the Member for Dobell right at the beginning when Krudd was still PM.

Ok perhaps let's bring back context. You are arguing with me as a result of my comment about abbott's "bit" part in the story. My comment was about Abbott not the union. So in context abbott's behavior is the important point I was making. It's a bit pointless replying to my comment if you are only going to try to divert from the context. Not least because it is so off topic.

As for the union fraction fight, I didn't say it wasn't important. What I said is it is none of abbott's business! It is a matter for HSU members. Exactly the same as a public company buying me drinks is a matter for the shareholders. Happy to accept your assurances about hospital workers, but I don't see anyone mentioning this matter in my daily life in NSW (as opposed to my SA life), including from HSU members. YMMV.

 

[muppet]

Sorry medhead.You might not think the Union faction fight is not important but i can assure you a lot of hospital workers do.
Remove your blinkers.TA is a bit player in this story.JG is a much more major player having leapt to the defence of the Member for Dobell right at the beginning when Krudd was still PM.

I'm a member of a union, and whilst I would pursue it internally, I would stop paying dues if the admin took it to the cops. I don't want my money wasted, but I don't want Abbott PM more. My interests are better served with tools like Craig keeping his seat as long as he can.

I'm also a shareholder ..... where's my copy of Joyce's credit card? Oh wait... I have no say in that? Despite owning the company...Gotta love hypocracy!

 

[amaroo]

I'm a member of a union, and whilst I would pursue it internally, I would stop paying dues if the admin took it to the cops. I don't want my money wasted, but I don't want Abbott PM more. My interests are better served with tools like Craig keeping his seat as long as he can.

I'm also a shareholder ..... where's my copy of Joyce's credit card? Oh wait... I have no say in that? Despite owning the company...Gotta love hypocracy!

Do I understand you correctly? You see a union official "allegedly" using a CC for personal, and, very personal reasons including "allegedly" accepting money from suppliers as not really ok, but I'll chase it up internally! But if the same union executive view it as fraud and they have the hide to refer it to the police for further investigation - you would see that as unacceptable and would be reason for you to withdraw fees?

On face value, it would appear that the good people of HSU & their fees have been abused without fear or selective favour.

Members like you make any organisation worse. What happen to morals and common good beliefs - it is simply another sacrifice that no organisation can afford to lose.

 

[medhead]

Do I understand you correctly? You see a union official "allegedly" using a CC for personal, and, very personal reasons including "allegedly" accepting money from suppliers as not really ok, but I'll chase it up internally! But if the same union executive view it as fraud and they have the hide to refer it to the police for further investigation - you would see that as unacceptable and would be reason for you to withdraw fees?

On face value, it would appear that the good people of HSU & their fees have been abused without fear or selective favour.

Members like you make any organisation worse. What happen to morals and common good beliefs - it is simply another sacrifice that no organisation can afford to lose.

I don't think you have understood correctly. I'm also not sure about your comment. A liberal senator referred this to the police first, followed by the union executive later.

 

[amaroo]

I don't think you have understood correctly. I'm also not sure about your comment. A liberal senator referred this to the police first, followed by the union executive later.

Ok, I'll bite.

Which part?

 

[muppet]

Do I understand you correctly? You see a union official "allegedly" using a CC for personal, and, very personal reasons including "allegedly" accepting money from suppliers as not really ok, but I'll chase it up internally! But if the same union executive view it as fraud and they have the hide to refer it to the police for further investigation - you would see that as unacceptable and would be reason for you to withdraw fees?

On face value, it would appear that the good people of HSU & their fees have been abused without fear or selective favour.

Members like you make any organisation worse. What happen to morals and common good beliefs - it is simply another sacrifice that no organisation can afford to lose.

It is an internal matter. If fraud has occurred, sure take it to the cops. But you can't refer someone to the cops for having an ineffective credit card policy - or none as is HSU's case.

I don't agree with that use money or condone it. But I pay my money (to different union) to further the labour movement and cause because they are my values. Therefore, in the current parliament, having very public internal disputes is wrecking my cause. That's why I would be angry at the union.

Also "members like you ...", I think you'll find posters on here, unlike FT, attack the argument not the poster.

 

[amaroo]

It is an internal matter. If fraud has occurred, sure take it to the cops. But you can't refer someone to the cops for having an ineffective credit card policy - or none as is HSU's case.

I don't agree with that use money or condone it. But I pay my money (to different union) to further the labour movement and cause because they are my values. Therefore, in the current parliament, having very public internal disputes is wrecking my cause. That's why I would be angry at the union.

Also "members like you ...", I think you'll find posters on here, unlike FT, attack the argument not the poster.

Fair enough, if you took offence with the "like you" comment & it sounds like you have - then I sincerely apologise.

Given recent developments & police confirmation that AMEX had indeed issued CC's at the request of a union supplier, it's gone way beyond poor CC policy.

Anyway, it was really pleasing to see the Tourism Minster rip into the head of the engineering union yesterday - bet you he didn't react well when he heard it.

The sooner this brainless, leaderless, spineless, useless & unelected government steps in and controls these lunatics the better

This strange Ménage à trois of unions must be killing the old timer's - Who would have believed that baggage handler's would be colluding so that pilot's can earn even more money :shock:

 

[rechoboam]

Poor CC policy- holy cow that's one way to put it I suppose. One of these union officials is a trustee of my super fund- I'm withdrawing my money and plan to set up an SMSF.

 

[straitman]

What was the topic again :?:

 

[medhead]

So did anyone see the Gruen episode talking about this? Any comments thoughts?