QF12 delayed from yesterday, now diverted to Brisbane

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Which hotel did they have you staying in? And how long to clear immigration & customs? Being on QF 8, did your bags just stay at the airport? That wold have expidited things last night.

You can't have had long to sleep if you were back for sunrise!
 
I hope you didn't have any duty-free LAGs in your possession, purchased at LAX, as they would not make it through BNE screening to board QF8. I wonder if any pax in that situation could request a QF5xx flight number instead?
 
Is lack of fuel really the reason for the diversion? That should never happen on this route!
 
Is lack of fuel really the reason for the diversion? That should never happen on this route!

Considering terminal weather can change in hours from forecast, and generally holding and weather is calculated on a three hour forecast being the most accurate then using a TAF for longer range forecasts, it's high likely a flight over 14 hours will arrive with updated fuel requirements that differ from when they prepared the flight.

This is what they probably used for planning:
TAF TAF YSSY 140508Z 1406/1512 04012KT CAVOK FM141300 33008KT CAVOK FM150500 05012KT 9999 FEW030 FM150800 20015G25KT 9999 -SHRA FEW015 SCT025

It got amended
TAF AMD YSSY 141707Z 1418/1524 33008KT CAVOK FM150200 05012KT 9999 FEW030 FM150600 18015G25KT 9999 -SHRA FEW015 SCT025 BKN035 INTER 1512/1518 5000 SHRA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 1506/1512 VRB25G35KT 3000 TSRA SCT015 SCT035CB

And amended again

TAF AMD YSSY 142116Z 1421/1524 33008KT CAVOK FM150200 05012KT 9999 FEW030 FM150600 18015G25KT 9999 -SHRA FEW015 SCT025 BKN035 INTER 1512/1524 5000 SHRA BKN010 PROB30 TEMPO 1506/1512 VRB25G35KT 3000 TSRA SCT015 SCT035CB RMK

To decode the important bits, wind for arrival went from 050 at 12kts to be variable up to 35knots with storm cells and low cloud, any sane captain would top up with that change.
 
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Considering terminal weather can change in hours from forecast, and generally holding and weather is calculated on a three hour forecast being the most accurate then using a TAF for longer range forecasts, it's high likely a flight over 14 hours will arrive with updated fuel requirements that differ from when they prepared the flight.


To decode the important bits, wind for arrival went from 050 at 12kts to be variable up to 35knots with storm cells and low cloud, any sane captain would top up with that change.

Thanks markis, head well and truely pulled in!
 
Ummm, SIA, MAS, Emirates and Hawaiian all have flights arriving early evening...

Those airlines are not handled by QF but other ground handling agents like Menzies & Toll so QF staff wouldn't be there for those flights.
 
Those airlines are not handled by QF but other ground handling agents like Menzies & Toll so QF staff wouldn't be there for those flights.
I think that was in relation to availability of immigration & customs & quarantine staff.
 
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Sorry my mistake I under the impression that the flight was finally cancelled at about 9pm a good hour and a half after those flights scheduled to arrive.

Yep, flight was cancelled at 9pm or close to.
 
Which hotel did they have you staying in? And how long to clear immigration & customs? Being on QF 8, did your bags just stay at the airport? That wold have expidited things last night.

You can't have had long to sleep if you were back for sunrise!

i think there must have been 4 or 5, Novotels and Is there a Crown Plaza these days in Brisbane, i heard someone mention it. Don't forget this was the second nights accommodation for some passengers as the plane left LAX a day late. Radission at LAX was where I stayed.

Had to collect all bags and take them with us.

and yes, in bed straight away and woke up at 4am, checked in at 5 am and boarding again at 6 am.
 
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I hope you didn't have any duty-free LAGs in your possession, purchased at LAX, as they would not make it through BNE screening to board QF8. I wonder if any pax in that situation could request a QF5xx flight number instead?

Plenty of people with duty free, including myself. (I just put my bottle in my checked bag without issue) I'm sure if someone wanted another flight it would have been no issue.

The QF staff were great, nothing was too much trouble explaining and helping people who needed it. The cabin crew this morning where very generous towards people some of whom were becoming a bit frayed at the edges.
 
Is lack of fuel really the reason for the diversion? That should never happen on this route!

Announcement was we needed more fuel in case we had to go into a holding pattern in Sydney. I'd like to think they didn't just say that to avoid a panic......instead of we're heading to Brisbane because of an electrical fault that would deem this aircraft a failure if it was still on the ground. :D
 
I assumed I'd see something here when I saw it pop up on Lifehacker.
I'd post a link, but it seems I lurk too much. Regardless, Angus Kidman has a post of Lifehacker AU.
Does not sound like fun!

Have I read things correctly that some folks had to spend a rather short and tired night in Brissy, only to red-eye to SYD in order to bounce back to BNE again?!? Ouch!
 
Have I read things correctly that some folks had to spend a rather short and tired night in Brissy, only to red-eye to SYD in order to bounce back to BNE again?!? Ouch!

the Brisbane people were allowed to take their bags and go home, I suspect they wouldn't have left the airport until around 10pm.
 
I wonder if it is the same aircraft that was supposed to do QF12 on 4 April but we got a 3-class 747 substituted instead (J, W & Y - bad luck for the F pax).
 
I wonder if it is the same aircraft that was supposed to do QF12 on 4 April but we got a 3-class 747 substituted instead (J, W & Y - bad luck for the F pax).

I was on QF 11 on 2 April. Delayed around 9 hours out of SYD. Something to do with the undercarriage. That was #B I think.
Not sure how they work the turn around time in LA.

The crew we had were due to go to Dubai on QF1. Instead, our original crew went to Dubai. Shame for some of them as they had partners also flying / on QF 107 / QF9 who were meeting up for birthday / anniversary celebrations. I guess that must come with the territory.
 
I wonder if it is the same aircraft that was supposed to do QF12 on 4 April but we got a 3-class 747 substituted instead (J, W & Y - bad luck for the F pax).

I have a feeling the aircraft doing QF12 on the 4th April was Nancy Bird, we broke her on the 2nd and she went for a refit on the 5th.
 
The QF staff were great, nothing was too much trouble explaining and helping people who needed it. The cabin crew this morning where very generous towards people some of whom were becoming a bit frayed at the edges.



I had a different experience. I thought the cabin crew really were very helpful and apologetic, but the ground staff at BNE and, to a lesser extent, LAX were unhelpful. I was through Customs at BNE early and couldn't locate a single QF staff member in the near-empty terminal. I made my way up to the departures level and realised that no one was there either. I went back down to arrivals and was about to start to make phone calls to organise my own hotel when some Qantas staff eventually arrived.

At this point the staff pointed at where they wanted queues to form by cabin class. Each of the half dozen people ahead of me in the queue received the same curt reply to any and all questions that that they had: "It's all in the letter" or "Just read the letter". I can't imagine that organising that number of hotel rooms and transfer buses in a short amount of time could be easy, but... I was coping well with the overnight delay in LAX and the three hours on the ground at BNE before the flight was finally aborted, but the rudeness of the QF ground staff was, for me, what turned this into a hellish experience.

My trip home went like this:

A voicemail message to me in New Orleans requesting that I ring Qantas in relation to the rescheduled flight. When I rang I was told 4 times that I could make my own hotel arrangements and then be reimbursed, and then at the end of the phone call, there was a single mention of Qantas being able to arrange hotel accommodation on arrival in LA. I wasn't sure if the spiel was intended to emphasise the sort-yourself-out option, or if it just came across that way based on the call centre person reading from notes in the computer system.

My AA DFW-LAX flight was delayed by close to two hours, which would have caused me to miss QF12 home, irrespective of the rescheduling of the flight.

When I arrive at LAX the ground staff directed me to "the Red Zone" to catch a hotel bus to the Radisson. Trying to find the "Red Zone" was assisted by the large number of people who were occupying an island, clearly all waiting for shuttles. It was a case of too many people in a small space, and there was a fair amount of pushing and shoving going on. I was knocked off my feet to the ground by two bozo's with Q tagged luggage as they surged forward to get on another hotel's shuttle. One of the baggage porters helped me up and gave the departing Q tag warriors a mouthful of Spanish expletive.

The Radisson was fine as an experience, except that the meal voucher approved by Qantas didn't actually cover the cost of a breakfast!

I could see from the flight path that we were being diverted to BNE, and I assumed it was to take on fuel.

It was about 10.40 pm by the time I arrived at the hotel I was put in, The Landmark in Spring Hill. It was emphasised at check-in that Qantas hadn't provided advice about meals and that, in any event, their restaurant was closed. This led to a fair bit of angry PAX behaviour, including one dramatic Basil Faulty-like episode where a guy was loudly berating a Qantas staff member on his mobile phone about there being no restaurant and the fact that the hotel was claiming no knowledge of any approval of food vouchers.

At about 11.20 pm I got a phone call from the hotel's front desk to say that a bus had been arranged for 4 am to get us to the airport to catch a flight to Sydney. At that point I rang 131313 and arranged a mid-morning flight. I'd had about 5 hours' sleep in LAX and couldn't see myself getting up at 3.30 am to catch the bus.

When I got to BNE today the check-in staff complained about The Landmark stating that the hotel had been advised about meal vouchers and that "Qantas wouldn't by using that hotel again". This struck me as plain silly. The Landmark couldn't supply meals at 11.00 pm and 3.00 am. The Landmark were also nice and did their best to manage the 36 check-ins as quickly as they could.

The shemozzle at BNE and the attitude of the ground staff were the only bits of the 50 hours it has taken me to get home that I'm left feeling aggrieved about. That and having a bruised elbow courtesy of the two Q Taggers.
 
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Good the hear someone taking the initiative and changing their flights, QF feel they need to get you home ASAP but if you want more time they are more than happy to oblige, I have done it a few times.
 
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