QF123 - SYD-DRW-Mumbai - Cabin Classes

[Keith009]

In my case I'd get WP in FEB08 if I credited everything to QFF, or even sooner since my 'year' runs JUN-JUN.

I'd have to wait 5 months extra to get EXP. A long wait...:-|

Trying very hard to be sensible.... I keep thinking of how much I'd save with those F redemptions to Europe/Africa/South America using AAdvantage miles over QFF points...

 

[serfty]

... I am just going to have to be sensible in this regard

Why? I reckon it would be neat to be top tier in two programs (albeit, both oneworld).

(As far as international Upgrades go on QF, 'tis generally better to be WP than SG )

 

[simongr]

In my case I'd get WP in FEB08 if I credited everything to QFF, or even sooner since my 'year' runs JUN-JUN.

I'd have to wait 5 months extra to get EXP. A long wait...:-|

I would have been WP in November last year if I had credited all to QF - it's been a long wait for OWE

 

[Keith009]

I would have been WP in November last year if I had credited all to QF - it's been a long wait for OWE

Sigh... such heavy burdens...

 

[NM]

I would say that the 135k+ AA miles is worth more than a cpl of USD50 lounge fees

Or spend that US$50 in the airport pub/restaurant get even better value.

 

[Dave Noble]

Or spend that US$50 in the airport pub/restaurant get even better value.

Indeed. I was just trying to compare like for like, plus of course, there's a reasonable chance that could be at an airport that has no lounge.. Oh , the inhumanity of having to spend time with hoi polloi, I am still recovering from MSN

Dave

 

[simongr]

It's not the lounges so much as the upgrades to F using points. There may not be a heap of difference between WP and SG but there is a heap between PS and WP

One option might be just to get SG by crediting a few of the post 30 Sep flights - not necessarily a bad thing to have a few points in the QF bankand means giving up a lot less than 135K points...

 

[simongr]

Well the decision has been made (well 80% there) on the luggage - just the status now to be decided - thankfully a few months to ponder still...

Just to continue to drag this thread off topic - just thinking about the logic for my points calculation spreadsheet. There seem to be a few circular calcuations that I am coming up with.

So just to check my logic - my AA status at a point in time depends on:

Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the prior qualifying period
Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the current qualifying period
The higher of two statuses is my current status

If in the period 1 Jan to 28/29 Feb then my status can depend on my Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the prior qualifying period before the prior qualifying period

OK simple (?) so far - but the soft landing adds some complications

If I was PLat status qualified in last year's qualifying period then this year I am Plat but next year if I dont make Plat then I will be gold - irrespective of miles/qpoints/segments flown.

It's the fact that three years can impact on one year of status

I jsut can't find a way to work it out via if/vlookup statements in excel - I am thinking that I might need to get it to do the calculation based on current status and get the user to input the status manually at a point in time.

I havent even begun to think about working out QF status into the spreadsheet...

 

[NM]

So just to check my logic - my AA status at a point in time depends on:

Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the prior qualifying period
Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the current qualifying period
The higher of two statuses is my current status

With your travel patterns, the only thing you need to be concerned with are EQP.

I use a column to note current status at any point in time. So its easy to note where I pass the next level qualification point and then use a VLOOKUP from a table for determining the status bonus to be applied, and a VLOOKUP from another table to determine the EQP earned and cabin bonus applied based on the booking class for the flight.

 

[simongr]

Yeah - I was thinking of being able to share this with people to let them assess based on their travel patterns whether AA would be good for them - I have a few friends who also do a reasonable amount of paid J/F travel that I would like to convert

 

[NM]

Yeah - I was thinking of being able to share this with people to let them assess based on their travel patterns whether AA would be good for them - I have a few friends who also do a reasonable amount of paid J/F travel that I would like to convert

When travelling on J/F fares, its always going to be EQP that pushes them over the AA status lines.

 

[simongr]

The method of qualifying isnt the problem - a simple forumla to assess whether the person has qualified at a point in time based on any of the criteria generates something that can be compared to the other reasons for status (challenge, prior year, prior prior year) - that's where is gets circular..

 

[Dave Noble]

Well the decision has been made (well 80% there) on the luggage - just the status now to be decided - thankfully a few months to ponder still...

Just to continue to drag this thread off topic - just thinking about the logic for my points calculation spreadsheet. There seem to be a few circular calcuations that I am coming up with.

So just to check my logic - my AA status at a point in time depends on:

Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the prior qualifying period
Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the current qualifying period
The higher of two statuses is my current status

If in the period 1 Jan to 28/29 Feb then my status can depend on my Miles flown/qpoints/segments in the prior qualifying period before the prior qualifying period

OK simple (?) so far - but the soft landing adds some complications

If I was PLat status qualified in last year's qualifying period then this year I am Plat but next year if I dont make Plat then I will be gold - irrespective of miles/qpoints/segments flown.

In order to attain/maintain Executive Platinum, you need 100k qpoints, 100k qmiles or 100 flown sectors during period 1 Jan to 31 Dec

In order to attain/maintain Platinum, you need 50k qpoints, 50k qmiles or 60 flown sectors during period 1 Jan to 31 Dec

The elite membership year runs from 1 Mar to 28/29 Feb

The points you earn during 2007 dictate your status for 2008, though when you pass through a threshold, you get promoted immediately

If in September 2007 you attain 100k qpoints, you will be promoted to EXP immediately; you will then be EXP for the 2008 membership year, so will be EXP until 28 Feb 2009

If during 2008 , you earn 100k qpoints, 100k qmiles or fly 100 sectors, it will ensure your renewal through to 28 Feb 2010.

If, however, during 2008, you fail to reach the renewal level, then on the 1st March 2009 you will drop to Platinum status which will last until 28 Feb 2010 . The soft landing would ensure that you drop to platinum even if you fly zero miles during 2008

Dave

 

[NM]

The method of qualifying isnt the problem - a simple forumla to assess whether the person has qualified at a point in time based on any of the criteria generates something that can be compared to the other reasons for status (challenge, prior year, prior prior year) - that's where is gets circular..

I do that by keeping a running tally of EQP earned year-to-date and the current status column. The new line's current status is calculated from the higher level of the previous line's current status and the status due based on year-to-date EQP.

 

[serfty]

I believe that simongr is endeavoring to do more than keeping a running track of status/Qpoints/Miles.

There's a sense here that he is endeavoring to evaluate the absolute worth of the program in respect to Status gains and benefits over the period of time these are available.

simongr, as an IT guy, I suggest doing something like create a 'column' with a status level indicator. Maybe have this as a 'hidden column'. Increment when the parameters push status up a level and decrement when criteria decrees demotion at the end of the "year".

Refer to this column and equate it's value to a minimum level, which would override contemporary Qpoint/SC criteria.

 

[simongr]

That's what I am trying to do. The problem is that the current year status can be impacted by up to three qualifying periods depending on where you are in the year. Jan/Feb is particularly bad. I know that most people wont qualify in that period (gaia being perhaps one of the few exceptions ) but it doesnt mean that you can ignore that period.

I think I am trying to make it more complex than I personally need for my uses - some of my friends though will drop their flights.. into it and wont immediately see them being EXP and will "see" a loss of points because it hasn't coped with an overly complex qualification process - theirs that is rather than AA's

If I can't work this out on the train over the next few days then it will be a job for my SYD-HKG morning flight a week on Saturday - I assume that 8AM is too early (or much much too late) for a G&T?

 

[Dave Noble]

That's what I am trying to do. The problem is that the current year status can be impacted by up to three qualifying periods depending on where you are in the year. Jan/Feb is particularly bad. I know that most people wont qualify in that period (gaia being perhaps one of the few exceptions ) but it doesnt mean that you can ignore that period.

There is 1 elite qualifying period ( excluding challenges )

The elite qualifying period is the calendar year, 1st Jan to 31st December

The elite membership year is the year 1st March - 28/29 February

All qmiles/points earned during 2007 are for the 2008 elite membership year, so should you earn 100k before 31 Dec , then you will be EXP for the 2008 elite year which commences on 1st March 2008

AA , being kind and generous, will promote you to a higher level immediately that you pass the threshold during 2007, but that has no impact to the fact that you are earning status for the 2008 membership year; this does mean that you can end up with status for >2 years should you initially qualify during Jan/Feb

Someone who is EXP this year but fails to earn 100k before end Dec will be demoted to PLT on 1st March 2008 when the current elite year ends

The 2 month offset does allow 1 nice requalifying feature. If you were EXP this year , but failed to renew by end of December, should you earn 100k during jan and Feb 2008, then you will manage to avoid the demotion occurring

Dave

 

[NM]

I assume that 8AM is too early (or much much too late) for a G&T?

Maybe for G&T, but not for bubbles!