QF32 388 - emergency landing in SIN after Engine failure

[Mal]

In reality he offered advice. It did not tell people not to fly. Continual misrepresentation of this is exactly the same as the behaviour that is being critisised. Rather ironic IMO. If clowns are servicing the aircraft why do you continue to fly on those aircraft?

So which part of this statement that he is quoted in, is "Advice" and not "telling people not to fly"?

"If I was a person considering travel over the period up until Christmas I'd probably be looking at airlines other than Qantas.

"If I was a passenger I wouldn't be purchasing a ticket with them at this stage."

Don't buy Qantas tickets: union

 

[medhead]

So which part of this statement that he is quoted in, is "Advice" and not "telling people not to fly"?


Don't buy Qantas tickets: union

Oh well, one more time with feeling. probably and If I .... I wouldn't. In other words this is what I would do, that is not a direction about what anyone else must do. I have no idea how anyone can read that has a command to do something. Unless they are grossly exaggerating, which is exactly what is wrong with many of the other union statements. Perhaps to reverse your question exactly which bit is a command to buy tickets with other airlines?

For example: if I was going to bet I wouldn't bet on red. Is that a command for you to bet on black? No?


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[The Rok]

Oh well, one more time with feeling. probably and If I .... I wouldn't. In other words this is what I would do, that is not a direction about what anyone else must do. I have no idea how anyone can read that has a command to do something. Unless they are grossly exaggerating, which is exactly what is wrong with many of the other union statements. Perhaps to reverse your question exactly which bit is a command to buy tickets with other airlines?

For example: if I was going to bet I wouldn't bet on red. Is that a command for you to bet on black? No?


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While I don't disagree with what you are saying I feel you are saying it just for the sake of being argumentative.

I suspect that if somebody else was arguing that Steve was only offering a suggestion and not an order you would be arguing that it was a direction NOT to fly QF based on the use of his words.

I suspect you are engaging this argument just for the sake of it. Just to be the opposition.

 

[Happy Trails]

Oh well, one more time with feeling. probably and If I .... I wouldn't. In other words this is what I would do, that is not a direction about what anyone else must do. I have no idea how anyone can read that has a command to do something. Unless they are grossly exaggerating, which is exactly what is wrong with many of the other union statements. Perhaps to reverse your question exactly which bit is a command to buy tickets with other airlines?

For example: if I was going to bet I wouldn't bet on red. Is that a command for you to bet on black? No?


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If I was going to describe someone as a hair-splitting, argumentative t@#$%*&, I wouldn't do it on AFF.

 

[Mal]

Oh well, one more time with feeling. probably and If I .... I wouldn't. In other words this is what I would do, that is not a direction about what anyone else must do. I have no idea how anyone can read that has a command to do something. Unless they are grossly exaggerating, which is exactly what is wrong with many of the other union statements. Perhaps to reverse your question exactly which bit is a command to buy tickets with other airlines?

For example: if I was going to bet I wouldn't bet on red. Is that a command for you to bet on black? No?

Steve is in a position of authority. For example, if I said to the SMH "I suggest people don't fly Qantas", my words have little effect. However - because he is the head of the engineer's union for Qantas, his words have more power.

It was a stupid thing to say, but pretty standard trash to come from that union.

 

[medhead]

While I don't disagree with what you are saying I feel you are saying it just for the sake of being argumentative.

I suspect that if somebody else was arguing that Steve was only offering a suggestion and not an order you would be arguing that it was a direction NOT to fly QF based on the use of his words.

I suspect you are engaging this argument just for the sake of it. Just to be the opposition.

Wrong if I was arguing I would have jumped on this the first it was re-mentioned and not waited for this latest occurrence.

Simply put SP told the public what he would do. He did not tell them what they must do, despite how it is painted here. Everybody is responsible for their own wellbeing and are more than capable of ignoring the advice of people with vested interests. As for his expertise, he is an aircraft engineer, that hardly qualifies him at booking flights.

Anyway, he told people what he would do not what they must do. There are plenty of good reasons to attack the man, this is not one of them.


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[NM]

Steve Purvinas' comment/advice/recommendation/suggestion/direction (whatever you want to call it) for himself/others to not purchase tickets on Qantas Flights over the Christmas period had nothing to do with any suggestion that Qantas aircraft were not safe. His comments were relating to the threat from his union to cause major schedule disfunction during that period and that people may not get to their destinations on time due to the planned industrial action if they booked Qantas flights. It was part of his union's stated plan to hurt Qantas financially in an attempt to have their demands met. Nothing to do with QF32 engine failure or Qantas safety. Just politics and "indistrial relations" negotiations.

Lets keep things on context.

 

[Moody]

You have that documented? I'm asking as that is not what i had read, rather that there were a number of reasons why it was only the A variant. As i pointed earlier there was a known oil issue which was part of an AD (which didn't point to the failed part) but the cause was not known. Are you saying that RR knew of the defect despite the AD being released?

Also QF are not the only ones paying for power by the hour either. I believe all the A380's with RR Engines are power by the hour.

Start here :- Pipe fatigue behind Qantas A380 Trent 900 failure: ATSB

Which will lead you here :- ATSB focuses on "mod A" and "mod B" Trent 900s

And then I'm sure you can hunt around for other clues and innuendo. But in the end only Rolls Royce know the full story and the likelihood of them coming clean is precisely zero percent. Sure they may not have made the connection between the known defect and the oil leaks their engineers had been finding, but the fact that the customer (Qantas) was not in possesion of all the facts is a cause for concern.

These are some of the typical perils of outsourcing and just because "everyone is doing it" does not mean it's smart. And as I said - my interest (as a semi-frequent passenger with Qantas) is what the new arrangement is with RR.

 

[Moody]

Steve Purvinas' comment/advice/recommendation/suggestion/direction (whatever you want to call it) for himself/others to not purchase tickets on Qantas Flights over the Christmas period had nothing to do with any suggestion that Qantas aircraft were not safe. His comments were relating to the threat from his union to cause major schedule disfunction during that period and that people may not get to their destinations on time due to the planned industrial action if they booked Qantas flights. It was part of his union's stated plan to hurt Qantas financially in an attempt to have their demands met. Nothing to do with QF32 engine failure or Qantas safety. Just politics and "indistrial relations" negotiations.

Lets keep things on context.

Very true.

And all things considered his advice was very accurate, so I can't see why there are cause for complaints. But this is another topic for another thread, don't you think?

 

[NM]

Very true.

And all things considered his advice was very accurate, so I can't see why there are cause for complaints. But this is another topic for another thread, don't you think?

Exactly, so lets all keep to the topic of the tread and cease discussion of unrelated topics in this thread.

As a reminder, this thread is about the QF32 incident, the cause(s), response by QF, RR, ATSB etc, impact to passengers at the time, and the repair process and planned return to service of the aircraft. Lets leave the politics etc to other threads/forums.

 

[reductionist]

Just saw a promo for a story on 60 minutes tonight regarding the QF32 incident.

I was unable to determine if it was a new story or a rerun of the one they did quite a while back.

 

[blackcat20]

Just saw a promo for a story on 60 minutes tonight regarding the QF32 incident.

I was unable to determine if it was a new story or a rerun of the one they did quite a while back.

I think its a repeat, as they have been doing a "best of" over summer.

 

[Sprucegoose]

I think its a repeat, as they have been doing a "best of" over summer.

And it's a good show, hope you saw it

 

[reductionist]

I watched it again. I feel like ABC did a much better job of it.

Four Corners - QF32

 

[JessicaTam]

*bump*

The ATSB report into the incident has now been released.

In-flight uncontained engine failure Airbus A380-842, VH-OQA, overhead Batam Island, Indonesia, 4 November 2010