QFi Flight loads

[airbridge]

Yep agree with you on this.
As an example in the old days of PMG then Telecom Australia there were more than 80,000 employees (now they have around 30k staff), because they had people in the exchanges literally reading the amount of minutes of calls each phone line had made every month for the bill, off counters on the exchange equipment.

Imagine how expensive calls would be today if unions forced Telecom to keep all the staff and stick to the old work practices rather then adapt to the new technology. This is what is happening to Qantas..

ie. Maintenance of modern aircraft A380!

Unions did this to Ansett. good example is 3 pilots in 767's. At that time it was thru only airline in the world to do that. everyone else changed to 2 pilots with upgraded coughpit.

We'll never learn.

 

[markis10]

Unions did this to Ansett. good example is 3 pilots in 767's. At that time it was thru only airline in the world to do that. everyone else changed to 2 pilots with upgraded coughpit.

We'll never learn.

It's was not three pilots, it was a flight engineer.

 

[eastwest101]

Just on another thing as we are discussing QFi loads - what about the "demographic effect", I have see a higher than average grey/silver hair PAX count on QFi services in particular. As that generation retire, and providing that all their super dosen't dissappear, they will travel a bit but then start to inevitably die off. What then? Will the marketing pitch of "Australian-ness" work then?

 

[juddles]

It's was not three pilots, it was a flight engineer.

True, but it was a perfect example of the unions demanding stuff that was so unreal it would sink them.

IIRC the Ansett union idiots were the only ones in
the world to get a three-crew coughpit for the 767.

 

[markis10]

True, but it was a perfect example of the unions demanding stuff that was so unreal it would sink them.

IIRC the Ansett union idiots were the only ones in
the world to get a three-crew coughpit for the 767.

Nope, UA and El Al also had a three crew coughpit for the early models - all were subsequently converted! The UA three crew models were just the early production units while El Als version had a FE station with very little functionality. Ansett was the only airline to order the whole fleet to have it as such.

 

[juddles]

Nope, UA and El Al also had a three crew coughpit for the early models - all were subsequently converted! The UA three crew models were just the early production units while El Als version had a FE station with very little functionality. Ansett was the only airline to order the whole fleet to have it as such.

Not that it really matters, but my understanding was that it was only Asett that actually used the three crew. The only reason I bring this up is that it supports my view that unrealistic unions actually flap the workforce they purport to support.

 

[TheInsider]

Stop the union bashing, it's really getting boring. Unions have done alot for the workforce around Australia and the world.

 

[docjames]

Stop the union bashing, it's really getting boring. Unions have done alot for the workforce around Australia and the world.

One might argue the unions could stop being obstructionist also......

 

[TheInsider]

One might argue the unions could stop being obstructionist also......

I think the 'good' they have done, far outweighs the negative things

 

[juddles]

Stop the union bashing, it's really getting boring. Unions have done alot for the workforce around Australia and the world.

Insider, am not ¨union bashing¨. I believe someone has to look after the workers. But this particular case was a very clear one where unions wanted to enforce conditions that were completely unsustainable for the business, and as such were actully very harmful for the very workers that they allegedly were trying to support. Get off your horse.

 

[TheInsider]

Insider, am not ¨union bashing¨. I believe someone has to look after the workers. But this particular case was a very clear one where unions wanted to enforce conditions that were completely unsustainable for the business, and as such were actully very harmful for the very workers that they allegedly were trying to support. Get off your horse.

I'm sorry, but the collapse of Ansett was not just based on the Unions.

 

[markis10]

Not that it really matters, but my understanding was that it was only Asett that actually used the three crew. The only reason I bring this up is that it supports my view that unrealistic unions actually flap the workforce they purport to support.

United did use it initially being the launch customer of what was essentially the first big twin in the world, the same fracas over 3 versus 2 occurred for the DC9 but by the time the 767 came online it was just Ansett holding out, Qantas ordered theirs much later when the issue was dead (and there had been 6 months of AN flying 767s proving no need). Only one AN 762 still exists in airworthy condition, used by the Dallas Mavericks - the former RMF now N767MW. I think union roles in the various maintenance issues with both AN and QF and the infamous 1989 pilot strike are probably better examples of your point

 

[cmon0005]

Stop the union bashing, it's really getting boring. Unions have done alot for the workforce around Australia and the world.

True they have done alot of good things, but I think most people on here will agree that some unions are going 'too far' with alot of things especially in a fragile world economy.
Some business re-adjustments are necessary from time to time for the long term survival of the business and to keep a MAJORITY of their workforce employed.
Sometimes the unions short-term wins are coming back to shoot themselves (and their members) in the foot, when big businesses go bust due to high costs(high wages and low productivity) and debts leaving hundreds out of work.

 

[JohnPhelan]

I believe that management are running a lot of the "incidental" costs through the International business that are inflating the loss figures they are reporting.

QFi own a number of the JQ 330's and are leasing them across to Jetstar, but nobody knows how much Jetstar pay.

When Jetstar passengers use the First/Business lounges, QFi pays for that...

it is very unlikely that QFi is losing anywhere near as much money as is being reported.

When you factor in the connections, cross-marketing etc that Intl provides to Domestic, then who knows if there's really a loss at all.

Thank you for continuing to peddle unsubstantated gossip.

You list these things as supposed "facts" - on what actual evidence are these claims based?

And your financial management/reporting qualifications and experience?

Most of us are interested in hearing what's true; what you "believe" - based on nothing but gossip - is of no consequence.

 

[eastwest101]

Thank you for continuing to peddle unsubstantated gossip.

You list these things as supposed "facts" - on what actual evidence are these claims based?

And your financial management/reporting qualifications and experience?

Most of us are interested in hearing what's true; what you "believe" - based on nothing but gossip - is of no consequence.

Not having a go - but would like to ask where would I begin to look into getting actual facts about the allegations that N860CR made? Or I should ask - in which part of the 124 page annual report would I find say - information about ownership and lease costs of JQ A332's for instance?

 

[mannej]

Not having a go - but would like to ask where would I begin to look into getting actual facts about the allegations that N860CR made? Or I should ask - in which part of the 124 page annual report would I find say - information about ownership and lease costs of JQ A332's for instance?

Markis is generally very good with finding that information out.

 

[JohnK]

I guess it all depends on the routes. My only recent experience is SYD-BKK return back in April/May and loads were poor on the outbound sector and woeful on the return.

Off to WLG today and returning tomorrow and it would be interesting to see the loads.

 

[JohnK]

Both loads on SYD-WLG yesterday and WLG-SYD this morning were poor. On this mornings flight there were people scattered throughout the 737 and looking back on could see a few empty rows including 5BCDEF vacant.

At least it was one of the new 737's and had IFE although I slept for most of this morning's flight.

 

[Simo]

QF prices are at the high point when ever i am doing comparisons for International travel.

I do understand that the flight crews are being paid Aust wages and not lower wage structures but it does make it hard to be loyal when there is such a price disparity.

This would affect flight loads.

 

[cove]

I know QF11 is full up front today because my son missed out on the offered upgrade on a non upgradeable Y ticket.
A chockers J and PE flight means something good for QFi.