Queen Street Mall in lockdown (BNE)

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How sad that the treatment for depression/mental illness is death by cop and/or suicide.

There but for the grace of god we go.

The tragedy of mental illness is that when diagnosed (and it often isn't) then most people shun the person and in circumstances like this some want to to kill them. Yet with the right treatment the person can be assisted to live a fairly normal life.

We don't treat people with serious disease such as cancer like this so why do we treat people with a psychiatric illness like this?

I respect everything you said except for 3 points....

1/ a crime is a crime regardless of motivation or impairment. One could argue that being affected by drugs or alcohol at the time is the same as an illness-induced mental impairment. The priority must be on the protection of innocents. The welfare of the perpetrator must always be secondary (but not ignored).

2/ most mentally ill people (and most normal people) don't own handguns. Given this - I'm not prepared to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

3/ if singular persons are able to bring a city to its knees for unreasonable extended periods, imagine what determined terrorists could do.

I support preservation of life, but protocols must allow for the reasonably swift conclusion to these things.

Prima Facie the police appear to have done a good job.

Took long enough to simply shoot him in the shoulder though......
 
I feel similarly. We don't know if he has a mental illness or not and the reason for stuff like this can often be a lack of mental health care/support.

If he does have a mental health issue, perhaps the system let him down before today.

But who knows.

WHY THE HELL DO WE ALWAYS BLAME 'THE SYSTEM'' FOR SOCIETYS PROBLEMS.....FOR GODS SAKE..TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!! I'M SICK OF IT..AS A SIDE NOTE..I'VE BEEN THROUGH DEPRESSSION/MADE BAD CHOICES/SCREWED UP ROYALY...BUT I'VE NEVER GONE OUT WAVING A GUN ABOUT !! SENSIBLE PEOPLE SEEK HELP...OTHERS INTENT ON DISRUPTING/HARMING OTHERS ...DONT!!!
ok...my soapbox is crushing under the weight of my rant!! i'm gonnna disappear from this post now..stay safe everyone :)
 
How sad that the treatment for depression/mental illness is death by cop and/or suicide.

There but for the grace of god we go.

The tragedy of mental illness is that when diagnosed (and it often isn't) then most people shun the person and in circumstances like this some want to to kill them. Yet with the right treatment the person can be assisted to live a fairly normal life.

We don't treat people with serious disease such as cancer like this so why do we treat people with a psychiatric illness like this?

Then we are both guilty of the act of assumption. On one side believing that his intent was malice, and other being that he was genuinely mentally disturbed.

For whatever it is worth, I was once diagnosed with clinical depression and have attempted suicide a number of times.

I beg to think that whatever integrity I had at the time, it was not with the intent or potential to physically harm other people, however. That latter one is inexcusable irrespective of the circumstances.
 
Just saw the story on 9 afternoon news. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.

They are making a huge deal out of the secondary effects, viz. loss of business for Mall shops, and a general sentiment that the Queen Street Mall is not safe.

May I remind them (and everyone else) that a few years ago, two people were stabbed in the Queen Street Mall and Myer Centre. There was brief coverage on the news, and I believe the culprits were never caught. (The most sickening part of the stories were that no one did anything when they saw someone was stabbed).

Not saying that this was not a dangerous situation, but no need to blow out the story beyond what it needs to be.
 
All I know is that Julia Gillard will be spending a week there next week in response to her assault on western Sydney ;)
 
According the TripleM news in BNE the man concerned was unhappy with child custody arrangements so I'm sure this episode will go a long way to swing things in his favour. :rolleyes:


The photo of the guy in Mal's post looks like someone on a steroi_ rage.
 
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According the TripleM news in BNE the man concerned was unhappy with child custody arrangements so I'm sure this episode will go a long way to swing things in his favour. :rolleyes:

The pgoto of the guy in Mal's post looks like someone on a steroi_ rage.

According to other news he was also known to have a record of mental illness. That latter one may get him off the hook.

Once again, mental illness is nothing to be taken lightly, but when it comes to compromising (or threatening, more directly) the well-being of other people that is an entirely different matter.
 
According the TripleM news in BNE the man concerned was unhappy with child custody arrangements so I'm sure this episode will go a long way to swing things in his favour. :rolleyes:

The pgoto of the guy in Mal's post looks like someone on a steroi_ rage.

Whatever his issues are, certainly not the most desirable approach to draw attention to ones self, but then again, there was the case of the other apparent disturbed man that attempted/jumped from the Story Bridge.
How very sad.
 
The problem is that the process for men (during and after divorce or separation) and access to children/child support etc is so cough in Australia that many men don't know where to turn for assistance. It does no help for the cause when people pull stunts like this though.
 
The problem is that the process for men (during and after divorce or separation) and access to children/child support etc is so cough in Australia that many men don't know where to turn for assistance. It does no help for the cause when people pull stunts like this though.

It proves that there's no where to go.

The ball is ball is now in the legislatures hands... Bet you nothing changes ;)
 
Just saw the story on 9 afternoon news. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
Mrs G and I were there from the go and apparently we were "fleeing in fear!!!" according to Ch10 news. So we casually fled in fear down to Dave Jones coffee shop and watched the show from there (not in fear but with all Mall front doors shut).

Amusing to watch tyro constables struggling to carry 6 armoured vests each for their colleages - heavy little b*ggers apparently. One Inspector caught our eye as he was struggling to fit into said heavy vest with a large portion of his gut hanging out (good target?).

Prize went to one Mr Plod at Edward/Queen St bellowing loudly at pedex long after the event had finished - must have been his big day!!

All ended well and Mall evac generally well handled by Police even though there was much confusion about.
 
Please CC me in on the hate mail because I have the same view as well.

you'd be a rubber necker at a traffic accident too I reckon.

just viewing it on 9news...guy walkin around with bravado and what appears to be gun (could see that on tv) ...i know im gonna get hate mail for saying this....but let the police just shoot the guy..I'M SICK OF UNBALANCED IDIOTS HOLDING THE REST OF SOCIETY TO RANSOM!!

lol ... what ??? he was pointing the gun at himself and calling for police to shoot him.


Colleague emailed all of us informing of the story. Lucky I didn't decide to go to uni today.

Seems no one has been hurt yet, which is good.

Last I heard he got seated at Milano, presumably because he couldn't actually keep standing the entire time. He was actually pointing the gun at his chin. Frankly, I wouldn't mind if he pulled the trigger.


To bring some "human fairness" to this, there hasn't been any reason established as to why he is doing what he is doing.

strong empathy for fellow man. I bet you're an arm rest hog too.

wow..seems others are pi**ed off about the degradation of society as well !! THANKYOU ... and now seeing/hearing this guy has been put out of action!! :D well done!!! but sadly now...the police will be subject to an inquiry :mad: (just for doing their job to protect society)!! and no doubt there will be a lawyer out there (with dollar signs in their eyes) willing to defend this guy!! :mad: YES...I'M MAD AS HELL!! :mad:

seems you were completely wrong. Looks like the coppers are being praised for their handling of the guy and how they ended the situation as safely as possible.

also, where is your lawyer with the dollar signs ... ??? feel free to post this evidence when you have it.

I just got back from Starbucks and they wouldn't let me out the back lifts at the Hilton. Now waiting for my driver to fight through the traffic to get me to the airport.

Just shoot him already!!

you really should not be going to starbucks and deserve a delay for doing so.
 
lol ... what ??? he was pointing the gun at himself and calling for police to shoot him.

...

strong empathy for fellow man. I bet you're an arm rest hog too.

And what empathy did that man show for his fellow man? He clearly still had the capacity to have it, because he felt it for his kids.

I heard reports (perhaps in conflict) indicating that he pointed the gun at himself and others (and I believe the latter one first, I believe at some elderly people). He was endangering the well being of other people. He only called for police to shoot him after most of the mall was evacuated and police actually arrived. In another sliding doors moment, we could've had a Port Arthur situation (of course not to that extent, but who is to say there could not have been casualties). This is not like some bloke on the top of a roof about to throw himself off it.

Also, if some of the last few massacres have shown us, in most cases the gunmen take their lives after disposing of their victims. Who was to say at the time that this man was not primed to do the same thing (kill himself rather than give himself up)?

Fair enough giving him the benefit of the doubt as it were, but at the time that the situation occurred, he caused a situation which amounted to that which could endanger the lives of many people. If it were a situation only to endanger himself, that does not demand an entire mall to be evacuated.

Having had mental problems before, I don't know about others, but I may expect others to understand I have mental issues but I do not expect them to excuse me for any consequential damage I cause to others (e.g. physical threats, property damage, etc.). I could never forgive myself if I physically harmed or killed someone in the course of experiencing a mental episode. Truth be told (and I say this now as having "recovered" from my condition), I'd probably want to take my life too. I couldn't live the rest of my life with that kind of shame, let alone the social condemnation of being a criminal. People can have mental conditions and issues - that does not dissolve them of their responsibilities. (It also stands to reason that many criminals who have clearly been malicious have used mental illness as a court defense but with malice; that is truly sad and is more insulting to the understanding of mental illnesses compared to the lack of understanding at all).

In the end, there is no excuse for that kind of conduct. He endangered other people's lives. And at the time when this incident was reported, the only information at hand was that he had a gun, the mall was being evacuated and he had pointed the gun at others. It only transpired later that he was mentally disturbed, and I'm sure that if he had managed to shoot someone I'd be very surprised if you would be prepared to "forgive" him for that act of manslaughter due to his mental condition.

And for whatever it is worth, I am not an arm rest hog - quite the opposite. But... I'm sure I've burned a prejudgement of myself into your mind which I can't change, so be it.



I've been depressed before. I know mental illnesses are not well understood nor accepted by society. I recognise the stigma. But depressed people are still people of society. They have their rights and responsibilities. It does not give you a "free pass" to flout the law. And it certainly doesn't give you the right to threaten the lives of others. So for one moment don't any of you think I know nothing about being mentally ill. (In fact, in a sliding doors moment, I may not even be here to type this post.)
 
so in your sliding doors moment, if it were you, would it have been appropriate for others to be calling for you to pull the trigger and kill yourself?
 
so in your sliding doors moment, if it were you, would it have been appropriate for others to be calling for you to pull the trigger and kill yourself?

Seeing as I was about to threaten other people's lives, from a personal judgement, yes.

I would not be able to live with the guilt of having been in a position to kill others, and certainly would not forgive myself if I did kill someone else.
 
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