RTW in J for $3,000 Less

[simongr]

I assume th CX flights are missing?

 

[Keith009]

Just a quick qn. I've paid for the ticket and am waiting for it to be confirmed. I've checked the booking on Qantas and BA and there it is missing around three of the flights while on AA all the flights are listed.

Is this anything to worry about? All the QF flights are there and they are the ones i want so I can use points to jump up to F.

Matt.

You will only be able to see Qantas and BA (and other airlines hosted on the same system, ie Amadeus) flights, and any flights immediately connecting to/from those flights on the Qantas/BA system.

The "missing" flights are flights operated by carriers not operating on the same reservation system AND not immediately connecting to those that are hosted on Amadeus.

You are fine so long as all flights show up ok on aa.com

 

[madmat777]

I assume th CX flights are missing?

one JL flight (with no connection) and two AA flights with no connection.

Cool at least that makes sense.

 

[moa999]

Looks normal.
think both AA and JAL use different GDS's
- so master file is created in AA segments and only the relevant segments are transferred to the Qants/Ba (Amadeus) system

 

[madmat777]

I just realised that I need to change one of the BA flights to a different one 2 hours earlier. The current status is "On request", should I wait until it is all finalised? do i do the change through AA or BA?

Thanks

Matt.

 

[Keith009]

If the itinerary is in that limbo on request mode between you talking to NRT and them actually ticketing it, I'd prefer to wait till it's actually ticketed as such changes are free anyway - just a gut feeling as I'm always paranoid about something going wrong if I disturb them during that interim period.

Simply do the change via the ATW desk.

 

[Leumas]

Thanks to all the experts here...! It's very useful, I did a DONE from CMB once, but when I was about to book a second one, CX suspended all flights there. Now that flights have resumed, prices are a lot higher, not making it worthwhile to track all the way there...

Anyway, is ex-NRT really that much cheaper...? Checking the OW site, tickets from the Philippines or Indonesia seem a bit cheaper still...

In short, does the method outlined in this thread work for an ex-CGK ticket? Now part of the reason for using AA is to minimise surchages, so using QF or CX or JAL may not maximise the benefits one will be seeking going through all this...

I've done some high level research, you can contact JAL or CX or even AA there, although they may not really be in Indonesia... So has anyone considered buying an AA ticket ex-CGK? If not, are there reasons why one should avoid doing it?

 

[Keith009]

I've done some high level research, you can contact JAL or CX or even AA there, although they may not really be in Indonesia...

I think there's JL and CX in Indonesia. As for AA, there's an Indonesian hotline but no actual presence. I'm assuming they simply put on an Indonesian hat and pretend that your ticket is issued in Indonesia if you call up on that number? Other option is issuing via AA Canada of course. I've not heard of anyone ticketing an ex-Indonesia with AA so I too am interested...

ex-NRT is no longer cheapest in Asia but convenient because there are more direct intercontinental flights without having to go via a OW hub. This is particularly convenient post 1 June.

Having said that I've decided to save some money to do an ex-MNL - not only is it cheaper than Japan but the GSA there is willing to send paper tickets overseas (at ur own expense). I want to lock in all 20 segments. I know that in theory pre 1 June rules will apply to my ticket when I attempt to reissue it from 16 segments to 20 but who knows what will happen in practice.

 

[madmat777]

Is it normal for the reservation still to be "On Request"?. I did pay for it last thing on Friday afternoon and on Saturday I had Amex ring me up to see if it was a valid purchase.

How long does it normally take?

 

[liebs]

Im still coming to terms with how these DONE type fares work.
i just had a look at the Oneworld site and the pricing for a DONE4 sold in S.Africa equates to approx
$5500 AUD. Can someone explain to me whether I could book the fare in South Africa, and although this may be obvious, pardon my ignorance but would I have to commence my travel from South Africa?

 

[serfty]

... would I have to ocmmence my travel from South Africa?

Yes.

To get that price you need to:

1. Book it in SA (or Canada) &
2. Start travel from Sth. Africa

From the fare rules:

15. SALES RESTRICTIONS

Tickets must be issued on the stock of AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JL/KA/LA/LP/MA/QF/RJ/XL/4M.

...

When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency 
fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare 
will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency 
of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must 
not be lower than from the country of sale.

Exception: Not applicable for sales made and/or travel originating in Canada

 

[liebs]

Trip could end back in Australia?
That way I would just have to find cheap one way fare to JNB?

Is this not significantly cheaper than commencing travel in Tokyo - as the traveller is still responsible for funding travel to the departure city.

 

[serfty]

No, the rules state that you must complete travel in the country/area of origin.

There is plenty of information on the xONEx product in the FlyerTalk oneworld forum.

I would recommend reading this thread:

• The oneworld explorer ticket FAQs.

4. FLIGHT APPLICATION/ROUTINGS

Fares only apply on any AA/AY/BA/CX/IB/JC/JL/JO/ KA / LA/LP/MA/NU/QF/RJ/XL/4M 
flights.

...

(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must 
    terminate at the same point,except that origin-destination surface segments 
    are permitted as follows

    (a) within the country of origin

    (b) within the Middle East

    (c) between the United States and Canada

    (d) between HKG and China

    (e) between Malaysia and SIN

    (f) within Africa

...

 

[Keith009]

Is it normal for the reservation still to be "On Request"?. I did pay for it last thing on Friday afternoon and on Saturday I had Amex ring me up to see if it was a valid purchase.

How long does it normally take?

It went from 'on request' to 'ticketed' within 2-3 hours for myself and another AFFer whom I helped organise a DONE4. I think we both called in the morning, or early afternoon.

Why not give them another call?

 

[madmat777]

It went from 'on request' to 'ticketed' within 2-3 hours for myself and another AFFer whom I helped organise a DONE4. I think we both called in the morning, or early afternoon.

Why not give them another call?

It turned out that they did not get the Authorisation from AMEX. All ok now. Anyreason why I can't edit my original post to complete it? I guess it is complete enough anyway.

Thanks again for all the contibutors.

Matt.

 

[Keith009]

It turned out that they did not get the Authorisation from AMEX. All ok now. Anyreason why I can't edit my original post to complete it? I guess it is complete enough anyway.

Thanks again for all the contibutors.

Matt.

The 'edit' button vanishes after a while. You have to contact one of the mods to edit the post for you.

I reckon this thread is a good candidate for a sticky on how to book xONExs overseas.

 

[Danger]

Another lot of questions from a not-so-savvy round the worlder.

vt01's original routing was SYD-JFK-DFW-RDU-DFW-JFK-LAX-ORD-LHR-MCT-LHR-FCO-LHR-SIN-BNE-PER-DRW-ADL-SYD.

Is it correct that this itinerary has seven North American sectors (JFK-DFW-RDU-DFW-JFK-LAX-ORD)?

If so, given there is a maximum of six sectors in NA and assuming vt01 didn't purchase additional sectors, how is this possible?

Similarly, JFK is listed twice. I assume, therefore, that it's possible to go through the same port more than once. Is this correct?

I was told by QF that transits (ie. stops of less than 24 hours) still count as a segment. For example, if I was to go CDG-LHR-HEL, with only a couple of hours layover at LHR, this would be three sectors. Is this correct?

vt01's final routing is SYD-SIN-HKG-JFK-DFW-RDU-DFW-LAX-ORD-LHR-MCT-LHR-ZRH-LHR-HKG-BNE-PER-DRW-ADL-SYD.

I understand that you can visit Asia twice, provided one of the visits is a transit only (ie. less than 24 hours). Is this correct?

Similar to the above question on seven segments in NA, vt01's Europe leg has five ports (when there's a maximum of four). I understand this is permitted because of something to do with the transcontinental flight on the end not counting as a segment (or something like that). I'd be grateful if someone could explain that for me, too.

 

[NM]

Is it correct that this itinerary has seven North American sectors (JFK-DFW-RDU-DFW-JFK-LAX-ORD)?

that is six sectors by my count.

Similarly, JFK is listed twice. I assume, therefore, that it's possible to go through the same port more than once. Is this correct?

Correct

I was told by QF that transits (ie. stops of less than 24 hours) still count as a segment. For example, if I was to go CDG-LHR-HEL, with only a couple of hours layover at LHR, this would be three sectors. Is this correct?

That is two sectors. The first is CDG-LHR and the second is LHR-HEL.

vt01's final routing is SYD-SIN-HKG-JFK-DFW-RDU-DFW-LAX-ORD-LHR-MCT-LHR-ZRH-LHR-HKG-BNE-PER-DRW-ADL-SYD.

I understand that you can visit Asia twice, provided one of the visits is a transit only (ie. less than 24 hours). Is this correct?

The rules are more specific that than. The second must be a transit without stopover, or a single plane continuing service, between Europe and South West Pacific regions. So in your example, the first Asia visit is not between Europe and SWP, so this constitutes the Asia continent visit. The second visit (LHR-HKG-BNE) must therefore be a transit only at HKG.

Similar to the above question on seven segments in NA, vt01's Europe leg has five ports (when there's a maximum of four). I understand this is permitted because of something to do with the transcontinental flight on the end not counting as a segment (or something like that). I'd be grateful if someone could explain that for me, too.

I think you may be confusing "sectors" with "ports". A sector is the travel between two ports. So for A-B-C-D-E from A to B is first sector, B to C is second sector, C to D is third sector, D to E is fourth sector.

 

[Danger]

Thanks, NM. Yes, I seem to be confusing sectors and ports.

 

[madmat777]

Book it in SA (or Canada)

What is the Canada option? Having called Tokyo 3 times I have had one that should not have been on the English desk and with the others I would not want to do anything complex through them. Can someone please explain when you would use Canada and if you did would you still build the itinerary through Dallas?

Thanks

Matt.