**RUMOR** Qantas (Group) returns to Paris

[zachary.august]

Hello! I was flying through CDG recently and observed Qantas staffers being shown around CDG. Now the interesting aspect is that they were speaking to Admirals Club workers about the service etc. Being the aviation geek that I am I observed for a while. I also have a close friend who works at Qantas Fleet Management and he revealed that the Qantas group wishes to return to Paris in some capacity in the near future.

 

[TheInsider]

AFAIK Jetstar was going to go there when they got their 787's (well either CDG or ORY)

 

[medhead]

Why not Munich or Barcelona! (now that my brother is talking about moving to spain) But then I do love paris.


Sent from my iPhone using Aust Freq Fly app so please excuse the lack of links.

 

[Canny man]

I rather enjoyed the Air France code share leg when I did a trip to France last year. Nice cabin, great crew and excellent food. The AF Lounge was pretty good too - nice snacks and excellent wine

The Admiral's Lounge in CDG Terminal 2A is nothing to look out for.

 

[nlagalle]

Having Paris as a destination would be great as you can avoid the UK leaving tax.. Chunnel ride later and you are in London!

 

[simongr]

Having Paris as a destination would be great as you can avoid the UK leaving tax.. Chunnel ride later and you are in London!

It does however require you to enter France... something I am loathe to do.

 

[dajop]

Having Paris as a destination would be great as you can avoid the UK leaving tax.. Chunnel ride later and you are in London!

Other way around, fine to arrive in London .... Chunnel ride later and you are in Paris to get the flight home.

 

[nlagalle]

It does however require you to enter France... something I am loathe to do.

Lol! I can see your point!!

 

[casanovawa]

Obviously be better if it was Qantas flying there than J*, but I guess its another option which is never a bad thing rather than a cut back....

 

[aus_flyer]

Perhaps Qantasia?

 

[richie9x]

If it is Jetstar where would they fly from? Singapore the obvious answer. But a 787 could fly direct from Darwin (or Perth at a stretch) to Paris. Or with Jetstar Japan they could be going via Osaka or Tokyo.

 

[samh004]

If it was Jetstar I’d be very interested in how they price themselves, especially in the Business Max bundle, as I can’t see them charging almost the same as J on other airlines/regular Qantas services to that part of the world and getting away with the service they currently provide.

 

[Must...Fly!]

If it was Jetstar I’d be very interested in how they price themselves, especially in the Business Max bundle, as I can’t see them charging almost the same as J on other airlines/regular Qantas services to that part of the world and getting away with the service they currently provide.

Certainly not, but at the same time they can't charge too little, as they may take Y or even Y+ pax away from QF.

 

[VHOEJ]

It will be JQ - QF couldn't get daily rights so if you can't go daily, it won't work.

 

[docjames]

It will be JQ - QF couldn't get daily rights so if you can't go daily, it won't work.

Except DFW, EZE/SCL, BNE-LAX was 6/wk for ages, ADL-SIN.

Daily rights aren't essential for a route to "work".

 

[Standby]

Except DFW, EZE/SCL, BNE-LAX was 6/wk for ages, ADL-SIN.

Daily rights aren't essential for a route to "work".

QF couldnt get daily flights because when they operated the route it was based on an allocation of a certain number of seats per week. With 747s, their only acrft able to do the distance ,they couldnt do daily. 787s with less capacity per hull vs 747 may squeeze the weekly seat count into daily.
Having said all that I'll believe it when I see it

 

[VHOEJ]

Except DFW, EZE/SCL, BNE-LAX was 6/wk for ages, ADL-SIN.

Daily rights aren't essential for a route to "work".

All of those routes are working because they are high yielding - they aren't 'leisure' markets. Paris wouldn't have a lot of premium cabin traffic so it is hard to fill it with money making fares.

 

[BadgerBoi]

All of those routes are working because they are high yielding - they aren't 'leisure' markets. Paris wouldn't have a lot of premium cabin traffic so it is hard to fill it with money making fares.

I don't know about that, both of my recent Paris trips J was pretty full both ways, all legs on airlines that aren't known to upgrade for free.

 

[elbarto]

It will be JQ - QF couldn't get daily rights so if you can't go daily, it won't work.

Why would JQ be able to get daily rights when QF can't? The agreement is between Australia and France, not the airlines.

Except DFW, EZE/SCL, BNE-LAX was 6/wk for ages, ADL-SIN.

Daily rights aren't essential for a route to "work".

Correct, but 6x per week is better than 3x per week.

All of those routes are working because they are high yielding - they aren't 'leisure' markets. Paris wouldn't have a lot of premium cabin traffic so it is hard to fill it with money making fares.

I doubt QF would go back to CDG if there wasn't demand for premium traffic.

I doubt we will see QF back at CDG until open skies is reached between the EU and Australia. QF could have been doing routine inspection as part of their codeshare agreement with AF.

 

[docjames]

Out of interest, current bilateral agreement showing available capacity:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/international/files/register_available_capacity_131211.pdf

REGISTER OF AVAILABLE CAPACITYDepartment of Infrastructure and Transport​

FRANCE​

DESIGNATION STATUS​

MULTIPLE​

AVAILABLE CAPACITY​

:Route 1
3.0 units of capacity per week in each direction.

The designated airlines of Australia may enter into arrangements with other airlines,including airlines of third countries, to undertake services through code share, blockedspace or other joint venture arrangements up to a total of 150 one way seats per day onan annual average basis subject to conditions.

Route 2
2.5 units of capacity per week in each direction.

Route 3
0.75 units of capacity per week in each direction.Further information about such arrangements can be obtained from the Department ofInfrastructure and Transport.Aircraft substitution formula:

*Aircraft Seat Capacity Coefficients
400 seats and above 1.0
360 - 399 seats 0.9320 - 359 seats 0.8
280 - 319 seats 0.7240 - 279 seats 0.6
200 - 239 seats 0.5150 - 199 seats 0.4
aircraft below 150 seats 0.25

Note * When a B747 Combi aircraft is used by a designated airline, it will use theequivalent of one unit of capacity.If the application of the foregoing ratios for each aircraft type will result in the totalcapacity entitlements for the designated airlines of Australia being exceeded, suchexcess will be permitted provided that it is no more than 0.25 units of capacity.​

This Register entry was last amended on 17 March 2011.