Should QF have F on all QFi metal?

[ChrisCunard]

Seems stupid to me that F pax flying to LHR on a QF/BA code share can't fly F all the way.

Or anyone flying out of PER / ADL on QFi.

Or anyone flying to DFW (yet LAX has F).

What the?!

 

[JohnPhelan]

QF will run an F cabin where there is sufficient demand for it to be profitable. Which appears to be LHR, LAX, SIN, HKG.

There's no point any airline operating an F cabin on a given route if that runs at a loss - especially if revenue can be increased by selling more J, Y+, Y seats.

If you want to fly F to LAX or LHR, you can do so - you just have to pick the flights on which an F cabin is offered.

 

[JohnK]

It would be interesting to see the numbers but there has to be a reason why Qantas is not offering First Class on most flights. Demand.

And I do not think using 50,000 QFF points to upgrade from business class is profitable for an airline. It may be good value for passenger but not for the business.

 

[pshepvic]

I don't know why they don't use the SQ model - charge more for F Suites, and less for the old F. Serve things like the degustation in Suites, and position the old F cabin somewhere between J and Suites.

In fact, they can only fit the same number of Mark II Skybeds in the space that the old F cabin was in, in the 744. Why not keep the F cabin and save the cost of refitting?

Also the cost between J and an F service above would not be a huge amount of money. Getting people to burn 50,000 points on that would certainly be a better way to reduce the points liability. Probably a lower net cost than that same person not spending on two F upgrades and spending the 100,000 points on a $2000 Y fare, or saving 4 upgrades and using on a $8,000 J fare.

The reality is, the less people are able to use upgrades, the more they have to spend it on fares. Having points upgrades readily available to F is a good way to keep your premium customers loyal.




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[cove]

Over the last decade we used the 747 F option to LAX and Mrscove got very used to it and loved it. Getting F on the A380 has been harder so we switched our points travel to SQ. Mrscove still hankers to go on Qantas but I won't burn a million points each on a FASA when SQ has a Classic equivalent for 10 or 15 percent of that offering.
We cannot get First out of Perth on QF and even though Perth is now a key profit driver for Qantas. We need to have Qantas get some Perth based directors to get started in fixing QF shortcomings.
SQ and Emirates have QFI on the ropes in Perth for international travel.

 

[zachary.august]

I personally would love that but the profitability isn't there obviously. Personally, I think that they should focus on improving the F service on the routes that work well for them. Also, believe it or not, on my most recent flight to LHR in F all the passengers baring one were paid passengers! So out of 14 seats 13 were paid and only one guy was upgraded. So clearly they do make money. pshepvicI think that introducing fragmentation like that a J+ is silly for QF. SQ has 77W for one and have retired their 744. QF's product on their 744 is outdated and quite horrible to be honest and I think the amount of money that would have been spent on re configuring them to 380 standards was not cost effective compared with adding additional Skybed MKII seating. Whereas, SQ had an updated offering on their 77Ws and therefore can offer a product like that without defining a 'new' category. The only routes (correct me if I am wrong) that have marketed 744 F is JNB, HKG, BNE-SIN?? which clearly have a market for F but can't justify a 380.

 

[TonyHancock]

Also, believe it or not, on my most recent flight to LHR in F all the passengers baring one were paid passengers! So out of 14 seats 13 were paid and only one guy was upgraded. So clearly they do make money.

Just out of interest how do yo know 13 of the 14 seats were paid?

 

[zachary.august]

Just out of interest how do yo know 13 of the 14 seats were paid?

Because 7 of them were in my travelling party (paid) and at LHR I enquired with the F host whether or not the other 7 seats were occupied and she said "We've got a great load 6 of the others are paid". Therefore, leaving the one other passenger as either upgrade or staff.

 

[Deleted member]

Seems stupid to me that F pax flying to LHR on a QF/BA code share can't fly F all the way.

Or anyone flying out of PER / ADL on QFi.

Or anyone flying to DFW (yet LAX has F).

What the?!

Or BNE, in fact I don't believe BNE departures have any QF metal destinations with F

 

[Deleted member]

Over the last decade we used the 747 F option to LAX and Mrscove got very used to it and loved it. Getting F on the A380 has been harder so we switched our points travel to SQ. Mrscove still hankers to go on Qantas but I won't burn a million points each on a FASA when SQ has a Classic equivalent for 10 or 15 percent of that offering.
We cannot get First out of Perth on QF and even though Perth is now a key profit driver for Qantas. We need to have Qantas get some Perth based directors to get started in fixing QF shortcomings.
SQ and Emirates have QFI on the ropes in Perth for international travel.

We ( Mrs GPH and I ) have FASA on the A380 SYD - LHR -SYD next year , but we had to book a long way out and we didn't burn anything like aMillion pts between us. But that was more about luck I suppose.

 

[mannej]

It is certainly not just a QF thing not offering F on all of their international flights.

SQ's 330 services (PER,BNE,ADL?) certainly are only two class, MH are another with their 330's.

Airlines must not be seeing the magic with F these days, so are not offering it unless the demand is there

 

[amaroo]

It is certainly not just a QF thing not offering F on all of their international flights.

SQ's 330 services (PER,BNE,ADL?) certainly are only two class, MH are another with their 330's.

Airlines must not be seeing the magic with F these days, so are not offering it unless the demand is there

How long ago was it that CX dropped F from OZ - 5 years?

 

[mannej]

How long ago was it that CX dropped F from OZ - 5 years?

I remember travelling on a 343 with F back in 09, but I am not sure if that was the norm or an exception.

 

[Alanslegal]

and with new J hard products getting quite close to F standard it is no wonder that F seems to be losing its shine .... sure I still think F is much nicer than J but the comfort level is only slightly better, the latter is a key factor when it comes to people paying for fares. most people want a comfortable flight, not an extravagent one.

 

[browski]

and with new J hard products getting quite close to F standard it is no wonder that F seems to be losing its shine .... sure I still think F is much nicer than J but the comfort level is only slightly better, the latter is a key factor when it comes to people paying for fares. most people want a comfortable flight, not an extravagent one.

I agree with this in the main, Alan but there's just one thing that I can't shake...........now that I fly F, I really can't stomach J.

 

[freepyjamas]

and with new J hard products getting quite close to F standard it is no wonder that F seems to be losing its shine .... sure I still think F is much nicer than J but the comfort level is only slightly better, the latter is a key factor when it comes to people paying for fares. most people want a comfortable flight, not an extravagent one.

Couldn't agree more.

F used to be more markedly comfortable than J. Now (assuming you're getting a properly flat bed) it's mostly about extravagance. Which is wonderful, but it does limit your market somewhat.

I'm a big fan of the 'romance of air travel' idea, so I'm a bit sad that F seems to be on the way out. Even if I can't always afford it (which I can't) I like to know it's there. Even just for the 1 in 1000 chance that J is overbooked and I just may be op-upped.

 

[amaroo]

I remember travelling on a 343 with F back in 09, but I am not sure if that was the norm or an exception.

I remember flying J (coffin style) 08....wanted to book F however, not available. Maybe they were phasing them out over a period of time.

 

[Greggsy]

Or BNE, in fact I don't believe BNE departures have any QF metal destinations with F

Such a shame to waste such a lovely (?) Flounge in BNE then.


Greg.

 

[Deleted member]

Such a shame to waste such a lovely (?) Flounge in BNE then.


Greg.

Well after August I will be WP. So any trans Tasman trips will see me checking it out. Not a big deal though I am told

 

[Katie]

Such a shame to waste such a lovely (?) Flounge in BNE then.

It's small, and paltry in comparison to its bigger sibling in SYD and MEL (food more like Dom J lounge). BUT it has champagne. And the QP/Intl J lounge has bubbles.
That's a nice difference for me, pre-flight.