SQ to operate into WSI

[TomVexille]

Given the volume of data centres being built in western Sydney, and the strong industry links to SIN. I can see some business traffic there.

 

[dairyfloss]

The language from SIA ahead of more detail suggests it will be more than just Scoot & SQ freight that would fly in/out of WSI, though I expect they would retain the majority of their premium slots for SYD.

Would they or other carriers being suggested be likely to invest in setting up & maintining their own operations at both Greater Sydney ports? Where else does SQ do this today? I think it's London (LHR/LGW), Tokyo (NRT/HND) & New York (JFK/EWR), currently. Anyone familiar with how well they operate the secondary ports here? Contract agents and lounges, or are any full tilt?

Cheers,
Matt.

 

[FlyingKangaroo]

SQ currently only has 4 daily flights to SYD (and 1-2 on Scoot). They had a 5th before covid, which routed via CBR on the return in order to get out of SYD before curfew and not have to arrive back in SIN at 3am. SQ has not yet restored that 5th flight. If WSI doesn't have a curfew, they might resume it once the airport opens and not "need" to route via CBR.

The 5th daily was back over peak season this last year, and as of October, it will be back year-round, so it would be a shift of an existing flight, not a new one: Singapore Airlines NW24 Service Changes – 11AUG24 — AeroRoutes.

Just did my own check and WSI is 79km from my house, and right now I can get to SYD in 45 minutes using a ferry+train which avoids traffic and no need for parking, so there is virtually nil chance of me using WSI. That said, it's a big city, and for many others, it will be more convenient, and as a Sydneysider, the risk of connections being split between airports or losing connecting options because of that split isn't an issue for locals, nor is SYD going anywhere -- ultimately a win for the city.

 

[SCM]

I wonder if QR would do the same? Would WSI count towards the 28 they are allowed per week into Australia's 4 major airports?

I doubt it would count, especially seeing as how it didn't exist when those agreements were written. I think QR would jump at this opportunity, and I'm sure the government would welcome them with open arms.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

This will be like NRT and HND, they will have to have shuttle buses to get people across/cross the 2 airports.
Either that or move all pax flights to WSI, both domestic and international.

 

[kamchatsky]

I doubt it would count, especially seeing as how it didn't exist when those agreements were written. I think QR would jump at this opportunity, and I'm sure the government would welcome them with open arms.

I can see it, QR will fly DOH-SYD-WSI so that they can increase their flight frequencies into SYD.

 

[SeatBackForward]

I can see it, QR will fly DOH-SYD-WSI so that they can increase their flight frequencies into SYD.

"Taxi to M7 hold short M12"

 

[TomVexille]

I can see it, QR will fly DOH-SYD-WSI so that they can increase their flight frequencies into SYD.

And run SYD-WSI as a bus

 

[p--and--t]

Either that or move all pax flights to WSI, both domestic and international.

Placing bets now - that won't happen.

 

[jase05]

Placing bets now - that won't happen.

Offering $1.01

 

[ThePointyEnd]

$’000s off a J fare I might consider it but it’ll still be easier to fly SYD-CGK and on from there!

If SYD-CGK-SIN was my normal route I'd pay extra to fly direct, no matter the distance and the tolls.

 

[WilsonM]

I doubt it would count, especially seeing as how it didn't exist when those agreements were written. I think QR would jump at this opportunity, and I'm sure the government would welcome them with open arms.

AVV is counted as serving Melbourne i.e. 28 total for QR includes PER, BNE, SYD and MEL/AVV. So I daresay a similar arrangement applies for WSI/SYD - the air services agreement lists cities, not airports.

 

[RooFlyer]

So I daresay a similar arrangement applies for WSI/SYD - the air services agreement lists cities, not airports.

So QR should adopt the argument made by some here that WSI isn’t actually in Sydney .

 

[jase05]

So QR should adopt the argument made by some here that WSI isn’t actually in Sydney .

East Katoomba Airport

 

[SeatBackForward]

So QR should adopt the argument made by some here that WSI isn’t actually in Sydney

yup, Western Sydney stops at Pyrmont. Then it's East Penrith.

 

[jpp42]

This will be like NRT and HND, they will have to have shuttle buses to get people across/cross the 2 airports.

This is unlikely to be required, maybe shuttle buses will exist for the odd backpacker that books the cheapest flights on separate tickets without really understanding where they're going, but 99.9% of travellers will never go between the two airports. When do people go between Gatwick and Heathrow, or between JFK and EWR, or between TSA and TPE? They simply don't need to.

In the context of this thread, the fact that SQ may be serving WSI is irrelevant if you're flying from another port in Australia, you will most certainly continue to transfer at SYD in the near term. Longer term if a significant domestic network does develop at WSI, then yes you might connect to an SQ flight there, but in neither situation would anyone ever need to transfer between SYD and WSI (outside of the odd disruption where WSI might become a weather alternate for SYD, esp after curfew).

 

[elanshin]

This is unlikely to be required, maybe shuttle buses will exist for the odd backpacker that books the cheapest flights on separate tickets without really understanding where they're going, but 99.9% of travellers will never go between the two airports. When do people go between Gatwick and Heathrow, or between JFK and EWR, or between TSA and TPE? They simply don't need to.

In the context of this thread, the fact that SQ may be serving WSI is irrelevant if you're flying from another port in Australia, you will most certainly continue to transfer at SYD in the near term. Longer term if a significant domestic network does develop at WSI, then yes you might connect to an SQ flight there, but in neither situation would anyone ever need to transfer between SYD and WSI (outside of the odd disruption where WSI might become a weather alternate for SYD, esp after curfew).

If you run a shuttle service to say the CBD (which is fairly possible) then one possible route is literally using the M5 and it'd take you via SYD. So you might as well run a WSI -SYDT1 -T2/3 -City service and pick up more PAX.

 

[Cynicor]

Or even, say, a domestic to WSI that connects to an international at SYD. There are many reasons in the future it might be needed.
Bit like saying who needs more than 36kb of RAM, I suspect.

 

[n7of9]

I can't wait for the future Reddit posts of people asking whether they can walk from WSI to SYD domestic

 

[AIRwin]

I can't wait for the future Reddit posts of people asking whether they can walk from WSI to SYD domestic

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