Superannuation Discussion + market volatility

Surely they would need evidence of illness and excess medical bills? I thought that was always the deal.
Depends on his age. I took a large lump sum from super when I was 55 or so, to buy a property. I only had to tick that box to say I had permanently ceased work. At the time when I took the money I had but as it happened I started a new career less than a year later. The amount of the withdrawal did go on my tax return though and was part of my assessment.
 
Depends on his age. I took a large lump sum from super when I was 55 or so, to buy a property. I only had to tick that box to say I had permanently ceased work. At the time when I took the money I had but as it happened I started a new career less than a year later. The amount of the withdrawal did go on my tax return though and was part of my assessment.
Ooh. I never knew that! :D
 
Depends on his age. I took a large lump sum from super when I was 55 or so, to buy a property. I only had to tick that box to say I had permanently ceased work. At the time when I took the money I had but as it happened I started a new career less than a year later. The amount of the withdrawal did go on my tax return though and was part of my assessment.

What did you have to do to 'declare retirement' (ie how did you tick the box)? I'm <60 and am about to start drawing on the super (AKA pension phase). Its a bit opaque what you actually have to officially do to be 'retired' - that is not working and not intending to work > X hrs per week.
 
What did you have to do to 'declare retirement' (ie how did you tick the box)? I'm <60 and am about to start drawing on the super (AKA pension phase). Its a bit opaque what you actually have to officially do to be 'retired' - that is not working and not intending to work > X hrs per week.
I imagine there are forms to fill in.
 
What did you have to do to 'declare retirement' (ie how did you tick the box)? I'm <60 and am about to start drawing on the super (AKA pension phase). Its a bit opaque what you actually have to officially do to be 'retired' - that is not working and not intending to work > X hrs per week.
In that case I was taking a lump sum. Super was with an industry fund and on the withdrawal form there was a list of options which included that had ceased work permanently. These days I am over 60 (by a few years :)) and I moved all my super from the years after I went back to work and a few pick ups from MrLtL along the way to a pension stream. It's not doing badly as I made about 40K after the pension payments were taken out over the past year. It also has the advantage go being tax free.
 
I suspect the trap is paye.
If you work and are paid in cash or kind you are on the wood… ( just don't bank it )
 
I think as you have a SMSF the rules might be a bit different for you &RooFlyer. We debated going down that track when MrLtL set up the company after he retired but in the end it was easier for us to just go into an established industry fund as at that stage we were looking at cash deposits. Property and shares were held outside super and it was going to be a drama to include them. We may not have the income of others on here but it's a comfortable living and enough for us to travel if when want and save quite a bit without touching principal which is always an option for anything really big if we needed it. The advantage I suppose is that everything is paid for and we own everything outright.
 
Yeah, I have a call into the company, but as we know, a company in 'lockdown' going for an IPO is tighter with information than the proverbial fishes a-hole. What would they care if my auditor wants something? But in respect to that philosophy of proving I'm not a related party, as far as the auditor is concerned, presumably they don't mind if I'm a related party to any of the listed companies?

It must be a very good year to be an external auditor - send out "notices that I want .. to everyone about everything" then keep the clock running and burn the expensive midnight oil going through it all (maybe).

I think my state of p-off-ness is resolving itself on my accounting firm rather than the auditor. They should have fore-warned me 'Hey, its a different ball game this year - new guy will probably want … '. Instead, when I called to see what an apparent delay was for around June, I found a while bunch of them away! EoFY? So now we are in an ATO approved extension for lodgement but I'm unlikely to meet the new deadline.
My accounting firm is the same. When quizzed my manager said that they are less busy in the lead up to EoFY rather than after it when people are doing tax returns, BAS’s etc.
 
I think with our smsf I would just need to convince the accountant I’ve retired. And all in writing. And pay his bill ;)

Interesting story you have there love_the_life. I will think about this some more.
 
I've had "acquaintances" who were diagnosed with an illness who then thought at about 50 - hey I'm sick I can't work. Was able to get access to their super and blew it all in a couple of years and then thought - hell I've have to go back to work. A few years later, really wasn't able to work so accessed what had been earned over the last few years and blew all that as well. You just can't help some people.
 
My accounting firm is the same. When quizzed my manager said that they are less busy in the lead up to EoFY rather than after it when people are doing tax returns, BAS’s etc.

I'm sure that's true, but I reckon there's a fair few people and businesses (like me :)) who use their accountants in June to do pre EoFY checks - as in is there anything out of whack that needs fixing before June 30? And I think Super tax returns are normally due by sometime in June (for the previous year)? Anyway, it just seemed strange that when I was trying to find out whether my SMSF return was going to be lodged on time, no-one knew (at first) because there were so many people away, and those that were on deck were struggling to keep their heads above water.

Thinking about it, I reckon there might have been some unplanned departures which threw everything out of whack, including the transition to external auditor.

Off to see new financial adviser this week to invest some of the goodies from investment property sale, after stuffing some of it away last FY and a maxi brought-forward super contrib when the term deposit ends soon. :) Going to be hard to let it go into some-one else's 'care'.
 
Depends on his age. I took a large lump sum from super when I was 55 or so, to buy a property. I only had to tick that box to say I had permanently ceased work. At the time when I took the money I had but as it happened I started a new career less than a year later. The amount of the withdrawal did go on my tax return though and was part of my assessment.
your preservation age was 55, so once you reach your preservation age and had retired then you can access your super - tax is payable until you reach 60. Preservation age depends on date of birth and is
Increasing. Doesn’t seem to be anything stopping someone changing their mind and starting to work again....
 
your preservation age was 55, so once you reach your preservation age and had retired then you can access your super - tax is payable until you reach 60. Preservation age depends on date of birth and is
Increasing. Doesn’t seem to be anything stopping someone changing their mind and starting to work again....
Which is what I wonder how cove’s friend could access their super.
 
He is now 62 and has booked flights to Thailand to get a wife.
Having $10,000 left and will be living off government benefits for the remainder of his life is not what I consider normal.
 
He is now 62 and has booked flights to Thailand to get a wife.
Having $10,000 left and will be living off government benefits for the remainder of his life is not what I consider normal.
Clearly a lot of people do though.

I think I might retire. I’m well old enough! Potter around for a bit. Then who knows what might happen. No one can predict the future in these times. Just a few questions to ask first. And timing. Timing is everything.

Can you make the full $25,000 combined contributions (sal sac and SG) and then retire mid FY?
 
Clearly a lot of people do though.

I think I might retire. I’m well old enough! Potter around for a bit. Then who knows what might happen. No one can predict the future in these times. Just a few questions to ask first. And timing. Timing is everything.

Can you make the full $25,000 combined contributions (sal sac and SG) and then retire mid FY?
Yes :) you can retire at any time of the FY. Maximizing the cap prior to retirement is a good idea :)
 
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A smsf pension fund is a wonderful vehicle for a a happy life and I am puzzled by folks raiding the honey pot.
Once in pension phase you can spend whatever you like, the only caveat is a minimum draw.
Taking money out to invest in other stuff brings back taxes.


It's also true that shortens raid on the self sufficient is about to blow a hole in the earnings of most middle and low tier superannuants
 
A smsf pension fund is a wonderful vehicle for a a happy life and I am puzzled by folks raiding the honey pot.
Once in pension phase you can spend whatever you like, the only caveat is a minimum draw.
Taking money out to invest in other stuff brings back taxes.


It's also true that shortens raid on the self sufficient is about to blow a hole in the earnings of most middle and low tier superannuants
Many might raid to finalize mortgages or loans. That’s a good thing.

I now have a list of questions to ask my accountant. Love_the_life you gave me impetus to revisit some earlier plans and there’s one question I won’t be asking the accountant who also overseas the SMSF ;).
 
Many might raid to finalize mortgages or loans. That’s a good thing.

I now have a list of questions to ask my accountant. Love_the_life you gave me impetus to revisit some earlier plans and there’s one question I won’t be asking the accountant who also overseas the SMSF ;).
I have a friend who has almost nothing left in her super as she has drawn down on it after 60 to pay off her house, buy a car and do house renovations. She would never have had enough in there to pay her a decent retirement income and has always said she just wants the government pension. It’s not what I would choose but people make the best of their lives. She retired a couple of weeks ago and is still waiting for a decision from Centrelink even after submitting the paperwork ages ago. In the past we did make some gentle suggestions about finances but she makes her own decisions and it’s certainly not our business. Her adult children seem pretty useless when it comes to helping their mum - most of them seem to be feuding with each other!
 

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