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Switching from Qantas frequent flyer to Singapore KrisFlyer

Hi after many years with Qantas FF including many no issue redemptions, recent experiences with both the call centre and on-line booking capabilities have made me consider an alternative.

Has anyone done the switch to KrisFlyer either back or forth or are enrolled in both? Feedback would be most appreciated.

Things to consider:

  • Are there credit cards that earn KrisFlyer miles similar to QF points?
  • Most of my earn would not be through paid fares.
  • Most trips would be international.
  • I have more than enough points for my needs. I would need to start again with KrisFlyer
  • Is an award seat redemption like a QF redemption in terms of dollars spent and points required?
  • Is award seat availability similar?
  • What about things like bonus points like Qantas wine purchases (which is amazing value)?
Apologies if a detailed comparison is available elsewhere.

Also, are my recent frustrations with Qantas likely to pass and no need to change? Is this all a temporary situation of mismanagement that they did not plan for the coming out covid travel demand?
 
I think I saw, in the past, that there are a few credit cards (Aust issued) that earnt SQ KF miles, either direct, or you could go with amex.
Google anyways.
Are you planning to fly SQ a lot, as their miles die after 3 years, they have been extending KF miles due to the pandemic, but how long that will go on, who knows.
What I would do, if I were you, is to go with VA, as they have a tie in with SQ KF, and points transfer might come back.
Also, like QF and Woolworths, Coles and VA are partners, so you can easily keep your VA points alive, by buying groceries at Coles, and also by buying fuel at 7-11 occasionally, just to keep points moving.
As for other way of keeping points going in to KF, I did stay once at a hotel partner of KF, booked under Agoda, supposedly if you put in your KF member number, the points will go into the KF account, mine didn't at all.
For most flights, flying AirNZ and putting in your KF member number, in J class, usually the points will appear in your KF account after flight.
Only once, has my claim been declined, putting KF number for flight MEL - WLG.
Other than that, all my J class bookings, and premY on AirNZ, points have appeared in my KF account.
It would take a major change, maybe for AJ to go, before there is any hope for QF to change.
They are taking away BP printers from kiosks, and also, dropping a lot of services we have gotten used to.
VA J flights are now 60% cheaper than QF J, permanently discounted.
VA lounges also, not too bad.
Sorry, last one from me on this, looks like a lot of the former cards that used to directly earn KF miles are no longer available, I thought Westpac still had it, but 2 of their cards says "no longer available".
Amex might still work, but am not an Amex man, so can't say for sure.
Best of luck.
My tip, stick with VA.
 
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Switching from Qantas frequent flyer to Singapore KrisFlyer

Hi after many years with Qantas FF including many no issue redemptions, recent experiences with both the call centre and on-line booking capabilities have made me consider an alternative.

Has anyone done the switch to KrisFlyer either back or forth or are enrolled in both? Feedback would be most appreciated.

Things to consider:

  • Are there credit cards that earn KrisFlyer miles similar to QF points?
  • Most of my earn would not be through paid fares.
  • Most trips would be international.
  • I have more than enough points for my needs. I would need to start again with KrisFlyer
  • Is an award seat redemption like a QF redemption in terms of dollars spent and points required?
  • Is award seat availability similar?
  • What about things like bonus points like Qantas wine purchases (which is amazing value)?
Apologies if a detailed comparison is available elsewhere.

Also, are my recent frustrations with Qantas likely to pass and no need to change? Is this all a temporary situation of mismanagement that they did not plan for the coming out covid travel demand?
I'm in both but have made more redemptions with KF
1. Not as many CCs but many Amex and St George cards do. Harder to churn as fewer options. Virgin earning cards allow SQ redemptions via VFF and may be able to transfer to KF if that option is eventually restarted
2. Mostly KF redemptions require fewer miles and have lower copay
3. Availability much better especially for premium
4. No QF Wine equivalent. There is a KF online shopping portal but not as useful in Aus. Hotels and car hire companies have KF as a partner.
5. You can earn KF miles by crediting to VA. If VA reinstitute miles transfer you may be better earning on VA but that will depend on the announced exchange rate
6. I don't have KF status but Star Alliance is not as good a program as OW for status benefits IMO. Status on VA offers some KF benefits eg baggage, limited lounge access but not with whole Star Alliance program
 
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The airline you fly the ffp yoy credit those flights does not need to be same
Krisflyer & SQ PPS are not the same

Normally Krisflyer miles have a hard 3 year expiry: use them or loose them. Some changes due to CV19, but that will end some time


K. Mileage expiry
  1. KrisFlyer Basic, KrisFlyer Elite Silver and KrisFlyer Elite Gold members only: a member’s KrisFlyer miles will expire after three years (or one year for KrisFlyer miles received from contests) at 23:59 hours Singapore time (GMT +08:00 hours) on the last day of the equivalent month in which they were earned. For example, KrisFlyer miles credited to a member’s KrisFlyer account in July 2017 will expire at 23:59 hours Singapore time (GMT +08:00 hours) on 31 July 2020.
 
I'm in both but have made more redemptions with KF
1. Not as many CCs but many Amex and St George cards do. Harder to churn as fewer options. Virgin earning cards allow SQ redemptions via VFF and may be able to transfer to KF if that option is eventually restarted
2. Mostly KF redemptions require fewer miles and have lower copay
3. Availability much better especially for premium
4. No QF Wine equivalent. There is a KF online shopping portal but not as useful in Aus. Hotels and car hire companies have KF as a partner.
5. You can earn KF miles by crediting to VA. If VA reinstitute miles transfer you may be better earning on VA but that will depend on the announced exchange rate
6. I don't have KF status but Star Alliance is not as good a program as OW for status benefits IMO. Status on VA offers some KF benefits eg baggage, limited lounge access but not with whole Star Alliance program
Star Alliance is not as good a program as OW for status benefits IMO

Any key difference (lack of benefits?) on this?
 
I suppose the biggest difference with Star Alliance is that they have no equivalent to the Emerald level. It's Star Silver and Gold. Gold gives the usual kind of perks - J lounge access(*), extra bags, priority etc, but for your higher level status holders in the individual programs there's no equivaent to Emerald to provide things like F lounge access and those little extras. Star every so often say they are mulling over a Star Platinum tier, but it never happens - probably due to LH and SQ throwing a wobbly I bet.

As a *G for many many years I actually feel there is quite a few reasonable benefits to the level though and I have found recognition on most carriers to be reasonable. Some outliers (SQ) are not the best and definitely treat *G as second class citizens in a way, but that's generally the mantra of "if you want the good stuff, pay for the good stuff" which is along the lines of how QR manages access to their F lounge in DOH for example so it's hardly unique. Also UA do not give access to their Polaris lounges to *G unless flying in J class (or F) which is a point of difference too.

Perhaps OP may want to consider VA also depending on travel patterns and requirements? partners including UA/AC/SQ and EY provide some decent coverage and benefits... and the newer J pricing and lower fares may be quite useful in this regard.

imo
 
Star Alliance is not as good a program as OW for status benefits IMO

Any key difference (lack of benefits?) on this?
Basically what this boils down to is the absence of an alliance wide top tier like QF Platinum/ One World Emerald, and the main downside is no access to F Lounges. The highest tier you can achieve in star alliance is equivalent to QF Gold/ OW Sapphire.

Higher tiers in any of the star alliance programs are generally carrier specific - not recognised by other carriers - and usually are only achieved through a certain amount and type of travel on that carrier (for example Singapore Airlines PPS, Lufthansa Hon Circle, United Premier 1K etc) .

Of course this doesn’t matter so much if your main method of accruing points is via credit card anyway.

Edit: (Or what RichardMEL said - whilst I was writing this)
 
I just had a thought.
Just checked, UA miles never expire!
As they are becoming a member of the VFF program, that is a plus.
And they are already a member of *A, so if you have to fly to where UA do not fly, you can book SQ and enter your UA FF and earn UA miles from the SQ flight.
AC and TG are members of *A too, as is AirNZ.
If the OP is not keen on VA itself, then UA will be a good choice.
 
Thanks for your replies everyone. I am thinking that for me that Virgin FF might be the best alternative to Qanats FF. I also think I will hold off and see if Qantas improve their customer service. The limitations with on line booking I can tolerate especially if an efficient customer service regime exists.

I had a bit of a play with Virgin focusing on international destinations. First impressions are less destinations than Qantas/partners, similar redemption availability, slightly less points required.

Making the switch also means the hassle of new credit cards and re-building a point balance although with the later I probably have enough Qantas points for my upcoming travel plans while a Virgin points balance accrued.
 
Flying forward, in relation to VA and VFF, its very hard to tell what their real priorities are.
They talk a lot, but as for what they are doing, its seems like small "baby steps".
They do have partners, FF wise, so as/of now, you or I can't book anything (flights) internationally on their website to fly internationally with their partner airlines, everything has to be booked on their partner airlines website, and putting in your/my/our VFF #.
Will it change, we don't know.
Will SQ and VFF points swap come back, at the previous level of swap, we don't know, or needing more VFF points for less partner points, we don't know.
Will VFF and NH (ANA) be a stronger liaison/partner than what it is now, ie, will NH's logo appear on the VFF website, we don't know, will the DL logo go and the NH logo fill in, we don't know.
Will QF ever change, we don't know, will they (QF) cheapen and save/scrimp, probably so.
If you are going to fly a lot, internationally, *A and UA are the ones to go for, but if its more so domestic flights for now, VFF is it.
Ok, will turn my waffly off now.
 
Thanks for your replies everyone. I am thinking that for me that Virgin FF might be the best alternative to Qanats FF. I also think I will hold off and see if Qantas improve their customer service. The limitations with on line booking I can tolerate especially if an efficient customer service regime exists.

I had a bit of a play with Virgin focusing on international destinations. First impressions are less destinations than Qantas/partners, similar redemption availability, slightly less points required.

Making the switch also means the hassle of new credit cards and re-building a point balance although with the later I probably have enough Qantas points for my upcoming travel plans while a Virgin points balance accrued.
Q's customer service has been 'enhanced' multiple times long before Covid was even whispered.

If you look through AFF you will see there were extensive (although not nearly ten hour) delays and calls dropping out, flights cancelled with people moved to a later flight only to find a 'new Q flight leaving at the orginal time you lost'. All-in-all now a good experience apart from Platinum members.

Being the egalitarian soul he is - obviously AJ decided that Plats needed the common touch as well.

Given AJ has just about outsourced everything (even to lower paid pilots out of NZ) their is not much left to be cut - to the extent that now Private Equity uses Q as a worked example for their playbooks!
 
Switching from Qantas frequent flyer to Singapore KrisFlyer

It does not have to either /or.

Like the girl in the Taco ad, you can have both.

Indeed from what you have written you should have both, plus probably Velocity. And maybe others.

Reason being is this allows you to optimise both "earn" and "burn" and so you get more options at less acquisition cost.

For example there are some point earning opportunities that can only get to one of Krisflyer/QFF/VA )or indeed others). And the flight you want may be better with one airline, or one of its partners, than the others.

Better may be class of travel, flight time, availability, points cost, taxes and charges including fuel fines if charged.......and how many people at once you want seats for.

Plus you can mix and match. I have booked in one direction on one FF program and come back on another. Or flown some of my party with one program, and some on another.


Hi after many years with Qantas FF including many no issue redemptions, recent experiences with both the call centre and on-line booking capabilities have made me consider an alternative.

Has anyone done the switch to KrisFlyer either back or forth or are enrolled in both? Feedback would be most appreciated.

One of my best decisions many years ago was to make Krisflyer my preferred FF Program.
I still have, and keep earning, points at QFF and VA.

Things to consider:

  • Are there credit cards that earn KrisFlyer miles similar to QF points?

Yes, but more can get to QFF.

So if for example you churn CC it is a reason in itself to be in 2 or 3 programs.

  • Most of my earn would not be through paid fares.
  • Most trips would be international.

I have rarely paid for an long-haul international fare in over two decades now. The ones I do buy are mainly short cheap hops. ie France to Italy. And domestic flights are mainly bought as they are generally cheap. There are some exceptions though including VA booked via Krislyer.

  • I have more than enough points for my needs. I would need to start again with KrisFlyer

With points starting again is not a problem. You just build up more points, and indeed you probably should still keep building some with QFF when it make sense to do so.

  • Is an award seat redemption like a QF redemption in terms of dollars spent and points required?
  • Is award seat availability similar?

If you want J or F Krisflyer is far superior in my experience for those without status.
  • What about things like bonus points like Qantas wine purchases (which is amazing value)?

Well if it is amazing value, you keep doing your Qantas wine purchases. Indeed take advantage of any amazing value offers in any FF program.

It is what I do. Rinse and repeat.

Also think not just FF Program, but think about redeeming within the Alliance or the airlines Partners. There is good value to be had.
 
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What is the primary way of earning SQ points in Australia? Is there anything other than AMEX MR? That doesn't leave a lot of CC churning opportunities.

That will depend on the individual. But yes as I noted above there are more card churning opportunities that can get to QFF which is a reason I highlighted to not just pursue one FF program. But you can also churn to Velocity or to card reaward programs that can transfer to KF.

Not really applicable to myself anymore but primary for many will be business spend.

Pounce on any manufactured spend opportunities as they arise. They always get closed off, and so he who hesitates is lost.

Sadly Amex in recent years doing mainly cashback promotions rather than point promotions, has greatly limited what used to a Points Golden Goose as the points promos were extremely and regularly lucrative and moreso if one thought laterally.
 
Based on personal experience, I am not sure that KF call centres offer a qualitatively different experience to QF. It seems a little hotheaded to abandon a scheme that has served the OP well for many years just because of difficulties with a call centre, but hey ho.

Personally, I am accumulating points with both QF and SQ - plus VA. Earn opportunities for KF are scarcer than for QF, and credit card sign up bonuses often offer fewer KF points than QF, but the rewards are also differently priced so it is hard to make absolute comparisons. The ability to keep editing OWAs is a huge advantage over the equivalent *A RTW deals which have to be locked in as a oner.
 
there are more card churning opportunities that can get to QFF

credit card sign up bonuses often offer fewer KF points than QF
I think this is why KF will always be an unattractive program for many. The easiest and quickest way to attain large number of points is through churning unless you're lucky enough to be able to put large business spends on card. And there simply isn't the opportunities to churn with KF, so even if KF points redemptions are fewer, the ability to earn hundreds of thousands more QFF per year offsets the higher redemption costs with QF. Which is a shame as KF is a great program. I'm jealous of the people that are in a position to make it their primary program.
 
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We can wait and see what ZL Rex does, and if they decide to do a tie in with DL, seeing now that VA and they have split up.
They did say last year they were planning to start up a FF system.
Then we have that Bonza lot, will they ever take off, will the join DL in a FF system.
 
What is the primary way of earning SQ points in Australia? Is there anything other than AMEX MR? That doesn't leave a lot of CC churning opportunities.
I think you can also transfer points from Citibank CCs to Krisflyer.
 
What's the purpose of switching frequent flyer programs? Are you simply interested in reward redemptions or does having status with them (and by connection the Star Alliance) matter? I will address each of these in turn.

If you're interested in purely award redemptions on flights (and not on toasters as QF seems to think we're interested in), an argument could be made to sign up for Singapore. After all, Singapore operates more international routes out of Australia than Qantas does.

At the same time, as they are part of Star Alliance, they have access to the most comprehensive route network in the world (Star Alliances has 26 member airlines globally covering all of North America and Europe, along with decent coverage of Africa, LATAM and Asia). So in terms of finding award itineraries that work for you, they could potentially be a valuable reward partner to credit to.

There may also be some sweet spots in redemptions that QF doesn't offer, although that will depend on if you actually fly in said sweet spots and whether there is availability to line up. I also hear that Singapore doesn't have the same obscene taxes and surcharges that QF applies (i.e. the eye watering amount to have the privilege of flying Emirates).

What is key in terms of reward redemptions, is to do your research beforehand on the routes you plan on flying and ideally transferring miles to these programs as you see availability to take the flights you want. Personally, and perhaps controversially, I'm actually signed up to a number of frequent flyer programs for this exact purpose: American, Delta, United, Air Canada, Lufthansa, British Airways, Qantas, Virgin Australia, ANA MilagePlan, etc.

Then depending on the trip I'll move miles in from my AmEx card (or other transferrable milage program) to the frequent flyer account in question. Sometimes the airlines will also run promotions where you can purchase miles on the cheap.

To give you a fairly recent example, Air Canada's Aeroplan was running a promotion until very recently where you could buy points for effectively 1.75 cents per point. I ended up buying 130,000 miles for ~$2,200 CAD to pull my Aeroplan account up to 160,000. With that many points I was able to find an award business class ticket from Sydney to Toronto for 160,000 miles return + $300 in taxes and fees.

I don't know about you folks, but spending $2,500 to travel return in J seems like a good deal to me (for comparison on Qantas you'd easily spend $2,200 AUD to fly Qantas in Economy to Toronto from Sydney).

Now if you're going for frequent flyer status, the first thing you need to ask yourself is why? Why does frequent flyer status matter to you? A lot like the sound of Gold, 1K or Global Services but rarely end up using the benefits of the status they worked so hard to earn, particularly when you consider that on most frequent flyer programs you need to spend considerable change (i.e. $1000s) annually just to maintain the status you are on.

My recommendation is to reflect on your pre-COVID travel and see where you spent your money, particularly on ancillaries like seat selection and baggage. In my case, back in 2019 it made plenty of sense to fly exclusively Star Alliance to keep my United status since $2,300 CAD of flights worked out to the 50,000 flown miles I needed to keep my Gold status.

During that time, I would somewhat regularly be flying between Europe and North America with luggage (sometimes as many as 3 checked bags). Knowing that on my £249 basic economy United fare, I can check 2 or 3 bags in free no problem was great value.

Similarly, flying those long routes like Heathrow to LA where you are onboard for 10+ hours, having access to an overwing exit seat with its 50+ inch leg room and paying nothing (as opposed to the hundreds you would ordinarily spend for such a luxury) was also great value for me. There is something to be said for having a window seat and being able to get out of that seat without waking anyone up or having to step over anyone.

Then there were some benefits available that I would sparingly use but would find very useful when I needed to. Case in point, I needed to stay an extra day at a conference I was attending in San Diego. Ordinarily this would have resulted in change fees and fare differences. However, United provides free same-day changes, so it was quick work for me to change my flight to the following day over the phone and BTW I wasn't waiting hours to speak with a representative, either!

The occasional upgrade to J on domestic US flights with United was nice too. I can remember a red eye I had with United flying from Agaudilla, Puerto Rico to Newark, departing at 1:30 AM, and being in that front row window seat where I can doze off after having some booze really took the bite out of that trip.

Lounges were also a nice benefit, particularly if I was outside the US, far away from those dumps called United Clubs. Then there were the matched Gold status with Marriott which I have used whenever I stay with them to get that 2 PM late checkout.

Overall, I would value the benefits attaining status on United far outweighed the cost of staying Alliance loyal. Again, I'd encourage everyone thinking about status to really look at the cost and benefits before jumping in to the program. The last thing you want to do is spend thousands or even tens of thousands chasing status in a year without making use of the benefits earned.

In terms of which frequent flyer program offers the best status or benefits, that really depends on what benefits you are looking for and how much money you are willing to spend. Different airlines have different requirements for earning status.

For instance, Delta Airlines in the 'States only cares about total miles flown in a given program year with Delta, SkyTeam alliance members like KLM/Air France, and other partners like WestJet in Canada if you are an overseas member. It would therefore, not be too difficult to rack up the 50,000 miles flown to earn Delta Gold status (their mid-tier benefit), particularly given the fact that any economy (aside from basic economy) Delta seat earns you 100% milage flown for status (and potentially 200% or more depending on fare class and airline).

Contrast this with other programs where you need to fly a lot more to earn similar mid-tier status (i.e. Lufthansa Senator's 100,000 mile requirement) or is based purely on how much money you spend with the airline (i.e. Air Canada's SQD's).

Benefits also vary from program to program as well. For instance, having any status on Qantas does not give you complimentary upgrades to business on domestic flights. However, with other programs like United that is the case. Then again, you need to be flying a decent amount in the US to really use that benefit.

Things like complimentary preferred seating may also only apply to the airline you hold status for. Hence, as a general rule of thumb try and earn status on those airlines that you intend on flying with frequently to maximize benefits, if it makes to credit the flights with them. Other benefits, like security fast track, extra baggage allowance, lounge access and priority customer service apply alliance wide and can be quite beneficial even when you're not flying with the airline you hold status with.

For instance, in 2019 I was flying domestically with Air Canada (a member of Star Alliance, which United is also a member of), I ended up being stranded overnight in Montreal due to IRROPs. Ordinarily if I didn't have status I would have had to spend money out of pocket for a hotel and meals. However, due to my Star Alliance Gold status with United, I was entitled to a free hotel and meals and received both after visiting the ticketing desk in Montreal.

Looking forward, and having been on the status treadmill for sometime, I plan on actually earning mid-tier status across all alliances (SkyTeam, OneWorld and Star Alliance).

For me mid-tier status is just the right balance of benefits: you have all the benefits you'll consistently use (seat assignment, extra baggage, lounge access), without spending a whole lot of money out of pocket.

Part of the reason I plan on landing status across all three alliances is flying ex-Australia internationally isn't as simple as flying ex-Europe internationally. There are fewer airlines that fly here and often the cheapest airline won't be in the alliance I have status for.

For instance, Delta or Air Canada regularly beats QF and AA on fares to North America. In order to pull this off I need to be very strategic in how I make my bookings now. Starting this year I have OneWorld (QF) and Star Alliance (UA) mid-tier status and will (hopefully) status match my UA to Delta on July 1 to earn status through January 2024.

QF status has already been sorted as they required just taking one flight this year with them (which I've already done). UA status is secured through the end of the year, and I'll let it lapse for 2023, using a status match with United, when I plan on flying Star Alliance again.

SkyTeam will be acquired through a status match to Delta and me flying a $2000 AUD flight on KLM J between Toronto and Glasgow in late July. So all in all, come July I will have mid-tier status with all three alliances for approximately $2200 AUD spend ($200 AUD spend on QF and $2000 AUD spend on KLM for DL status).

Hope that provides some value.

-RooFlyer88
 
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What's the purpose of switching frequent flyer programs? Are you simply interested in reward redemptions or does having status with them (and by connection the Star Alliance) matter? I will address each of these in turn.

If you're interested in purely award redemptions on flights (and not on toasters as QF seems to think we're interested in), an argument could be made to sign up for Singapore. After all, Singapore operates more international routes out of Australia than Qantas does. At the same time, as they are part of Star Alliance, they have access to the most comprehensive route network in the world (Star Alliances has 26 member airlines globally covering all of North America and Europe, along with decent coverage of Africa, LATAM and Asia). So in terms of finding award itineraries that work for you, they could potentially be a valuable reward partner to credit to. There may also be some sweet spots in redemptions that QF doesn't offer, although that will depend on if you actually fly in said sweet spots and whether there is availability to line up. I also hear that Singapore doesn't have the same obscene taxes and surcharges that QF applies (i.e. the eye watering amount to have the privilege of flying Emirates).

What is key in terms of reward redemptions, is to do your research beforehand on the routes you plan on flying and ideally transferring miles to these programs as you see availability to take the flights you want. Personally, and perhaps controversially, I'm actually signed up to a number of frequent flyer programs for this exact purpose: American, Delta, United, Air Canada, Lufthansa, British Airways, Qantas, Virgin Australia, ANA MilagePlan, etc. Then depending on the trip I'll move miles in from my AmEx card (or other transferrable milage program) to the frequent flyer account in question. Sometimes the airlines will also run promotions where you can purchase miles on the cheap. To give you a fairly recent example, Air Canada's Aeroplan was running a promotion until very recently where you could buy points for effectively 1.75 cents per point. I ended up buying 130,000 miles for ~$2,200 CAD to pull my Aeroplan account up to 160,000. With that many points I was able to find an award business class ticket from Sydney to Toronto for 160,000 miles return + $300 in taxes and fees. I don't know about you folks, but spending $2,500 to travel return in J seems like a good deal to me (for comparison on Qantas you'd easily spend $2,200 AUD to fly Qantas in Economy to Toronto from Sydney).

Now if you're going for frequent flyer status, the first thing you need to ask yourself is why? Why does frequent flyer status matter to you? A lot like the sound of Gold, 1K or Global Services but rarely end up using the benefits of the status they worked so hard to earn, particularly when you consider that on most frequent flyer programs you need to spend considerable change (i.e. $1000s) annually just to maintain the status you are on. My recommendation is to reflect on your pre-COVID travel and see where you spent your money, particularly on ancillaries like seat selection and baggage. In my case, back in 2019 it made plenty of sense to fly exclusively Star Alliance to keep my United status since $2,300 CAD of flights worked out to the 50,000 flown miles I needed to keep my Gold status. During that time, I would somewhat regularly be flying between Europe and North America with luggage (sometimes as many as 3 checked bags). Knowing that on my £249 basic economy United fare, I can check 2 or 3 bags in free no problem was great value. Similarly, flying those long routes like Heathrow to LA where you are onboard for 10+ hours, having access to an overwing exit seat with its 50+ inch leg room and paying nothing (as opposed to the hundreds you would ordinarily spend for such a luxury) was also great value for me. There is something to be said for having a window seat and being able to get out of that seat without waking anyone up or having to step over anyone. Then there were some benefits available that I would sparingly use but would find very useful when I needed to. Case in point, I needed to stay an extra day at a conference I was attending in San Diego. Ordinarily this would have resulted in change fees and fare differences. However, United provides free same-day changes, so it was quick work for me to change my flight to the following day over the phone and BTW I wasn't waiting hours to speak with a representative, either! The occasional upgrade to J on domestic US flights with United was nice too. I can remember a red eye I had with United flying from Agaudilla, Puerto Rico to Newark, departing at 1:30 AM, and being in that front row window seat where I can doze off after having some booze really took the bite out of that trip. Lounges were also a nice benefit, particularly if I was outside the US, far away from those dumps called United Clubs. Then there were the matched Gold status with Marriott which I have used whenever I stay with them to get that 2 PM late checkout. Overall, I would value the benefits attaining status on United far outweighed the cost of staying Alliance loyal. Again, I'd encourage everyone thinking about status to really look at the cost and benefits before jumping in to the program. The last thing you want to do is spend thousands or even tens of thousands chasing status in a year without making use of the benefits earned.

In terms of which frequent flyer program offers the best status or benefits, that really depends on what benefits you are looking for and how much money you are willing to spend. Different airlines have different requirements for earning status. For instance, Delta Airlines in the 'States only cares about total miles flown in a given program year with Delta, SkyTeam alliance members like KLM/Air France, and other partners like WestJet in Canada if you are an overseas member. It would therefore, not be too difficult to rack up the 50,000 miles flown to earn Delta Gold status (their mid-tier benefit), particularly given the fact that any economy (aside from basic economy) Delta seat earns you 100% milage flown for status (and potentially 200% or more depending on fare class and airline). Contrast this with other programs where you need to fly a lot more to earn similar mid-tier status (i.e. Lufthansa Senator's 100,000 mile requirement) or is based purely on how much money you spend with the airline (i.e. Air Canada's SQD's). Benefits also vary from program to program as well. For instance, having any status on Qantas does not give you complimentary upgrades to business on domestic flights. However, with other programs like United that is the case. Then again, you need to be flying a decent amount in the US to really use that benefit. Things like complimentary preferred seating may also only apply to the airline you hold status for. Hence, as a general rule of thumb try and earn status on those airlines that you intend on flying with frequently to maximize benefits, if it makes to credit the flights with them. Other benefits, like security fast track, extra baggage allowance, lounge access and priority customer service apply alliance wide and can be quite beneficial even when you're not flying with the airline you hold status with. For instance, in 2019 I was flying domestically with Air Canada (a member of Star Alliance, which United is also a member of), I ended up being stranded overnight in Montreal due to IRROPs. Ordinarily if I didn't have status I would have had to spend money out of pocket for a hotel and meals. However, due to my Star Alliance Gold status with United, I was entitled to a free hotel and meals and received both after visiting the ticketing desk in Montreal.

Looking forward, and having been on the status treadmill for sometime, I plan on actually earning mid-tier status across all alliances (SkyTeam, OneWorld and Star Alliance). For me mid-tier status is just the right balance of benefits: you have all the benefits you'll consistently use (seat assignment, extra baggage, lounge access), without spending a whole lot of money out of pocket. Part of the reason I plan on landing status across all three alliances is flying ex-Australia internationally isn't as simple as flying ex-Europe internationally. There are fewer airlines that fly here and often the cheapest airline won't be in the alliance I have status for. For instance, Delta or Air Canada regularly beats QF and AA on fares to North America. In order to pull this off I need to be very strategic in how I make my bookings now. Starting this year I have OneWorld (QF) and Star Alliance (UA) mid-tier status and will (hopefully) status match my UA to Delta on July 1 to earn status through January 2024. QF status has already been sorted as they required just taking one flight this year with them (which I've already done). UA status is secured through the end of the year, and I'll let it lapse for 2023, using a status match with United, when I plan on flying Star Alliance again. SkyTeam will be acquired through a status match to Delta and me flying a $2000 AUD flight on KLM J between Toronto and Glasgow in late July. So all in all, come July I will have mid-tier status with all three alliances for approximately $2200 AUD spend ($200 AUD spend on QF and $2000 AUD spend on KLM for DL status).

Hope that provides some value.

-RooFlyer88
Well, when I first saw the length of your post, I thought this will be a hard read, but you have made a lot of very good points which are easy to understand and make a lot of sense. Not all of us will ever do the travel that you do, but you seem to have the ‘systems’ covered to your advantage. In my opinion, you certainly provided some value.
 
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