Sydney Airport v Labor's Deputy PM in Sydneyv Airport curfew fight

[VA777]

I think it is important to remember that there is an election on, the News Corp papers have made it very clear their objective and Max Moore-Wilton is formerly John Howards appointment at PM&C.

interesting analysis by Ben Sandilands on what he believes is actually happening/happened on this matter Round two of Sydney Airport row: Albo takes axe to Max | Plane Talking

 

[Mark3000]

Interesting article in SMH today about curfew.

"Etihad Airways chief executive James Hogan on Friday cited a case where an aircraft had taxied on the runway but was held up due to thunderstorms and unable to take off because it was past 11pm by that time."

I would be furious if I was on that plane. I live under a flight path and would never dream of inconveniencing 300 people on a plane just to save a few seconds of noise. Why can't they allow special circumstances like this and allow the plane to take off?

Flight cap, strict curfew to remain at Sydney Airport as NSW push rejected

 

[Sprucegoose]

Interesting article in SMH today about curfew.

"Etihad Airways chief executive James Hogan on Friday cited a case where an aircraft had taxied on the runway but was held up due to thunderstorms and unable to take off because it was past 11pm by that time."

I would be furious if I was on that plane. I live under a flight path and would never dream of inconveniencing 300 people on a plane just to save a few seconds of noise. Why can't they allow special circumstances like this and allow the plane to take off?

Flight cap, strict curfew to remain at Sydney Airport as NSW push rejected

I agree bugger the labor politicians, the airport was there before their constituents

 

[medhead]

I agree bugger the labor politicians, the airport was there before their constituents

You're a bit behind aren't you? Do try keeping up with contemporary events, elections and the like

 

[serfty]

I agree bugger the labor politicians, the airport was there before their constituents

... but the "third runway" opened in 1994 was not ...

 

[Sprucegoose]

... but the "third runway" opened in 1994 was not ...

Was there any other option?

 

[SK_D]

Easiest way to fix this is to make sure one of the Sydney airports (Mascot or Badgerys) have NO curfew, we need to get up to the global standard.

BTW does anyone have the Hon Albanese phone number so that we can call him in situations like these when flights have to be turned back, hes a positive guy and by the way he talks would do anything for the Australian people!

 

[Himeno]

Easiest way to fix this is to make sure one of the Sydney airports (Mascot or Badgerys) have NO curfew, we need to get up to the global standard.

"global standard"? LHR, NRT and FRA all have curfews.
I find it odd that NRT has a curfew, yet HND - closer to more people - doesn't.

 

[Sprucegoose]

Easiest way to fix this is to make sure one of the Sydney airports (Mascot or Badgerys) have NO curfew, we need to get up to the global standard.

BTW does anyone have the Hon Albanese phone number so that we can call him in situations like these when flights have to be turned back, hes a positive guy and by the way he talks would do anything for the Australian people!

Parliament House in Canberra is +612 62777111

 

[Sprucegoose]

You're a bit behind aren't you? Do try keeping up with contemporary events, elections and the like

I'll deal with the important stuff first and then muck with all you lot later on the esoteric.

 

[Jeffrey O'Neill]

With the mooted cost of a new airport at over $10B I wonder if it would be cheaper for the Govt to just buy any housing within the noise boundaries and then on sell them to new owners who are willing to live with a 24*7 airport.

Upgrade the airport in whatever way is required for expansion and be done with it.

Some of the housing could even be rented out as low cost if required or the market won't support too much sales.

Would certainly allow for an expansion NOW rather than 5-10 years late and over budget. Only have to look at how badly berlin's new airport is going to see what can go wrong.

 

[eastwest101]

I recall about 20-25 years ago there were generous (maybe Federal?) funds set aside and made available for people to put in extra soundproofing and double glazing for properties close to flight paths (eg. Marrickville). Apparently the uptake was quite high - and then some unscrupulous people and landlords in particular removed the soundproofing and re- installed it in their own homes (which were not necessarily under flight paths). As I recall, the double glazing usually stayed in the house it was installed in because it such a pain in the butt to remove and use elsewhere. Homes continued to be rented and sold as having being "soundproofed" so if you are thinking of buying or renting in the area a good building inspection would hopefully pick up things like that.

Anyway - all sorts of issues with the artificial caps, decreasing noise from aircraft, history and politics plus the economic change from larger capacity aircraft to more frequent narrowbody aircraft will keep this issue going for years. Jeffery O'Neill post has a good point about looking at maximizing actual proper available capacity at Kingsford Smith before we get too carried away at looking at the Badgerys Creek option. The current situation just needs a good dose of engineering and de-bottle-necking while negating the conflicting and overlapping government responsibilities and curtailing NIMBY incentives and mechanisms.

As attractive as it is to end the Macquarie Airport monopoly at Kingsford Smith - there are costs to every option available - usually borne by taxpayers, airlines and ultimately passengers.