Terrible Qantas / EK experience (MEL-DXB-CDG / LHR-MEL in J)

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I recently traveled MEL-DXB-CDG on EK and then returned LHR-MEL with my wife and 13-month old daughter on classic award bookings in J. Traveling so far with an infant so far was never likely to be all smooth sailing, but there were numerous things that were out of our control that made it so much more difficult and unpleasant. I've contacted Qantas Customer care about this but their response, after 3 weeks of waiting, was basically: "we're sorry, we value your feedback but we hope you keep flying Qantas". Underwhelming to say the least. So here I am sharing my experience - probably my last one on Qantas as I'll be actively avoiding them in the future and re-routing all of my points-earning activities towards VA.

1. Chauffeur drive to Tullamarine.
I received the call the day before and told the company that it was my wife, myself, my daughter (baby seat required), 2 large cases and 3 smaller cases.. suggesting we'd need a large vehicle. They sent a sedan that couldn't even fit two large suitcases in the back. Needless to say it was not a comfortable ride to the airport.

2. Dubai connect.
We had a 6-7 hour gap between our flights so were looking forward to using Dubai connect for some rest, particularly for our daughter. There was no help or assistance or no instruction given as to where we were meant to go to use this service. When leaving the plane in Dubai I asked numerous Emirates staff, none of whom had any idea on where we were meant to go. When I finally found a staff member that said he did, he directed us to the hotels within the terminal (incorrectly). Finally we were told to go to the lounge for assistance. They knew where we were meant to go, but after having spent 90 minutes getting off the plane and wandering around aimlessly we weren't comfortable to spend who-knows-how long transferring to a hotel that is 20 minutes away from the airport, checking-in and then basically having to come back again. So we had to hang around in the lounge for 7 hours, straight on the back of a 14-hour flight, with no possibility of sleep or privacy.

3. Chauffeur drive on arrival in Paris.
Finding myself with 5 hours to kill by the time we got into the DXB lounge and wanting to avoid a repeat of point 1 I spoke to the lounge crew about confirming a larger vehicle on our arrival in Paris, particularly given it was going to be after 30 hours of us travelling. What was waiting for us in Paris? An even smaller vehicle - small enough that the driver couldn't even fit all of our luggage in. After he spent 15 minutes playing tetris with our gear he finally realised it wouldn't fit, and we were resigning ourselves to another whole hour of waiting. Thankfully my wife flagged down another couple who had been allocated a mini-van and they were more than happy to swap with us. But we should never have been in that position.

4. Check-in at LHR.
When we went to check in for our flight home we were greeted by a rude gentleman at the business class check-in that abruptly informed us that he couldn't see our daughter on the booking, so he couldn't check us in. "Not my problem, you'll have to call Qantas ticketing, bye." I'd checked "manage my booking" plenty of times and she was definitely listed on the booking. I'd even called Qantas to ensure we had bassinet seats. But for some reason she hadn't been "ticketed". So this left us in a separate queue to wait to speak with one person holding two phones and trying to have four different conversations with different passengers. By the time she got to us, then we waited for her to deal with the ticketing office, we found out that we actually had to pay $82 or we couldn't get on the flight. Great, right? Just the news you want to receive when you've been waiting around for an hour at the check-in counter with a screaming infant who was in desperate need of a change. By the time all of this got sorted and we got checked in we basically had to run to the lounge, change my daughter (throwing the clothes she had been wearing into the bin - I'll spare you the details) and then run to the plane. Perfect preparation for a 23-hour flight home. All 3 of us were stressed, flustered and really angry with what we'd just been put through.

Whether you're paying $9,000 per person or over 500,000 QFF points for a couple, surely it's within my expectation to expect better than this when flying long-haul business class? Am I being unreasonable to expect compensation?
 
Sounds like a very ordinary experience. I'm not surprised at QF's reaction - its pretty standard no matter what the situation or who you are (status wise) however where the metal and DXB service is provided by EK, its more likely they will do the Sgt. Shultz ("I know nothing ... nothing...").

Not to downplay your discomfort or disappointment, I doubt you would get very far even with a complaint follow-up. However if you think there is a definite point to be made, possibly with the benefit to Qantas/EK of fixing a problem with their systems (Chauffer Drive and/or infants' ticketing), send a Private Massage to the Qantas Rep here, Red Roo and outline your concerns. usually a more sympathetic ear, but no assured positive response from the powers that be.
 
Maybe not suitable but each of you could have ordered a chauffeur car from home to the airport. And airport to hotel. Does sound a lot of luggage for the sedans they use and dont think they offer larger vehicles.
 
Am I being unreasonable to expect compensation?

This is difficult. I can appreciate that subjectively this would have been stressful, but objectively... it possibly doesn't have the same impact.

Breaking the issue down to the bare bones it is this:


  • the car sent in Melbourne and Paris was too small.
  • we couldn't find Dubai Connect
  • there was a problem with our booking in Paris

Sure those things could have been handled better (either by the airline or the passenger themselves), but for me, the issue which detracts from the complaint concerns the Paris check-in. Why did both of you have to stand in line waiting for an hour with a child in obvious discomfort? The normal response would be that one parent waits while the other goes to a family change room to change the infant, unless there was a good reason otherwise - and that's not outlined in the complaint.

That bit makes me question the rest of the issues. But there may be a good explanation.
 
I understand your rewards were through QF, but you yourself say the flying was through EK. Seems to me the problems with CD are in the hands of the 3rd parties. I mean, for example, if they called the day before (or you tried to confirm in the lounge as in 3) to confirm your details and requirements then messed that up, that's not QF or EK's fault. . Dubai Connect seems a ground handling issue in DXB and prob best addressed by EK than QF. Point 4, re "ticketing" I agree (but this implies your awards were one ways rather than an open jaw, as you wouldn't have gotten to Paris if the booking was not properly ticketed).

The extra $82 seems odd. I wonder if that is an EK levied charge or something QF forgot to add somehow.


I'm not defending what has gone on here, but have you tried contacting EK as the operating carrier on this?

It is unfortunate though that QF customer care did not perhaps take this up with EK on your behalf as the ticketing airline - I do agree with that.

I hope you have better experiences with VA flying SQ/EY etc
 
A lot of EK screw ups there, but I would hope that you complain and get in touch with someone at QF about the check-in problems at LHR (which probably stem from a QF error) - what you describe is either a disinterested BA check-in agent or a UK based QF checkin staff member? Not much that QF can do about the former but if the later it sounds like that checkin agent needs a new career - preferably nothing to do with customer service in my opinion!

The most annoying thing about reading your experience, for me, is that you have tried to do your homework and obviously gone to some effort to make the trip go as smoothly as possible and have been thwarted by incompetence, poor service and laziness from QF and EK at numerous occasions and then all topped off by the typical cut and paste "non-apology" to your complaints from the Qantas complaints area!
 
The inability to handle non-standard vehicle requests is a real nuisance.

I was caught by this when travelling with my bike; I had it in a reasonably compact box (Scicon) and spoke with the Brisbane agents who assured me I'd be getting a station wagon - instead a large sedan arrived. Amazingly, the bke slotted in the boot - just!

Then at Heathrow, the Chauffeur company did a quick juggle and swapped me to a station wagon. So no dramas in the end (unlike the OPs experience), but it would be so much better if you could specify a station wagon. Oh, and I would have been fine with paying extra - or even being told "no" in the case of the Brisbane pickup as I live 200m from the train.
 
... is that you have tried to do your homework and obviously gone to some effort to make the trip go as smoothly as possible and have been thwarted by incompetence, poor service and laziness from QF and EK at numerous occasions

Just out of interest (I've never done it) - how difficult is Dubai Connect to use? I would have disembarked, gone through immigration, and looked for the relevant desk on the other side?
 
Agree with RichardMEL and MEL_Traveller here.
In regards to DXB connect. I did this last month from an EK SYD-DXB flight and this is how it's supposed to work:
The process starts at check-in for the flight to DXB. You are issued with vouchers printed on BP stock which tell you which hotel you are going to. In my case it was Le Meridien. Vouchers also for chauffeur transport to the hotel. Upon arrival in DXB you exit the airport through immigration and proceed to the EK chauffeur terminal on the R hand side and after checking in there are taken to your hotel in a Merc.
From getting off the aircraft to hotel room took about 45 minutes. The hotel is within a 5 minute drive of the terminal.
I found out all of this information regarding the vouchers etc online at EK/QF. My TA was quite useless with it all. I booked DXB connect through MMB.

I don't really think you are going to get anywhere with QF. The problems lie with EK and the suppliers (with the exception of the infant ticketing).
 
Just out of interest (I've never done it) - how difficult is Dubai Connect to use? I would have disembarked, gone through immigration, and looked for the relevant desk on the other side?


Never done it myself either - but found this page which is great on detail about eligibility and how to book but no details at all about what happens when you actually arrive at DXB.

Dubai Connect | Essential Information | Emirates Australia

Like the OP - I may have ended up wandering around DXB for a while too. :rolleyes: I am sure there are other members on here whom would know the drill. As a matter of fact Princess Fiona has already obliged while I was typing this.....
 
Never done it myself either - but found this page which is great on detail about eligibility and how to book but no details at all about what happens when you actually arrive at DXB.

Dubai Connect | Essential Information | Emirates Australia

Like the OP - I may have ended up wandering around DXB for a while too. :rolleyes: I am sure there are other members on here whom would know the drill. As a matter of fact Princess Fiona has already obliged while I was typing this.....

This was the first time I had ever done DXB connect. I made sure that I knew the drill long before I even got to SYD :)
 
If it is a QF Award ticket, on EK metal, then presumably the ticket is issued by QF on their stock. EK provides the 'service' (or not).

So, where do complaints for the service deficiency go? QF or EK?

I think it has to go to QF, but then you have the invidious situation of one airline having to 'account' for another airline's performance. They won't want to. You can only hope that 1) They pass on the complaint to the airline concerned and request an explanation and 2)recognise that the customer has 'paid' them for the ticket, so they ARE responsible for the service delivery and need to take any demonstrated deficiencies seriously, and compensate if appropriate.

Going back to the OP, I don't think compensation is worth chasing here - but do hold QF to account for the LHR check in fiasco in particular. And I think the CD stuff as well - you have paid for it, after all (points or cash - no difference).
 
If I booked a LM award on TG and it all went pear-shaped should I be contacting LM and expecting them to compensate me?
Likewise an AA Award on QF, would AA be able to investigate any problems I encountered with QF?

I seriously doubt that in either of the scenarios above the program providing the award ticket could or would do anything.
 
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If I booked a LM award on TG and it all went pear-shaped should I be contacting LM and expecting them to compensate me?
Likewise an AA Award on QF, would AA be able to investigate any problems I encountered with QF?

I seriously doubt that in the either of the scenarios above the program providing the award ticket could or would do anything.

I agree with you there; but would you have the same opinion if it was a paid ($$) ticket? (For instance, part of a round-the-world ticket on the first-mentioned airlines' stock.) And in either scenario do you think they should?

Getting a bit away from topic (but still relevant), but worthwhile discussion, I think.

Edit: I believe the airline that I paid (points or cash) takes responsibility for what happens on the ticket. If there is compo or similar involved, its up to them to deal with the specific service provider along the way to try and get it back.
 
A lot of EK screw ups there, but I would hope that you complain and get in touch with someone at QF about the check-in problems at LHR (which probably stem from a QF error) - what you describe is either a disinterested BA check-in agent or a UK based QF checkin staff member? Not much that QF can do about the former but if the later it sounds like that checkin agent needs a new career - preferably nothing to do with customer service in my opinion!

I thought you had to check in with the operating carrier, so would this have been an EK check in agent?
 
Last year we had two F tickets syd-dxb-nbo. 3 legs on EK 1 one on QF, roughly $25,000 paid to Qantas and all ticketed as QF flight numbers (obviously 3 of them as codeshares). We had a few issues which I took up with Qantas on return, but the feedback was very much they dealt with issues on QF flights, EK was responsible for their flights, including any on the ground preflight service. So from the description most of it seems to be issues for Emirates. Unfortunately in these scenarios there seems to be a great big crack between the two airlines into which these issues disappear.
 
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I thought you had to check in with the operating carrier, so would this have been an EK check in agent?


OP didn't say if they flew QF or EK metal for their return to Australia LHR-?DXB?-MEL leg (or if it was QF codeshare on EK metal or vice versa) - the way I interpreted the OP's first post was that they flew MEL-DXB-CDG on EK but not sure about whom they were flying when they left LHR.
 
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