The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

This article in the Guardian quotes a recent Essential Poll that observed significant growth in vaccine hesitancy in the over 50 cohort.
There is also significant hesitancy in younger age groups too, and in both cases, the level of hesitancy is increasing.

In my opinion, this is what happens when there is little perceived benefit to taking the vaccine, which in turn makes the even tiny risks (of clots and of unknown long term effects) not worth taking. People are not stupid. They have by and large assessed that individual risk of getting COVID in Australia is tiny, so therefore the benefit of avoiding COVID is not very compelling. Further, the only/major source of COVID in the community now is escapes from HQ. The federal Government is reacting to that by stopping flights from high risk countries and banning most people from leaving the country. The state Governments are reacting by having very restrictive caps for HQ, and slamming the borders shut every time there is a single case. No politician (except St Gladys) is linking vaccination to even the possibility of being allowed to travel or being exempted from lockdowns and border closures. So as there is an all but zero likelihood of getting COVID in these circumstances, it's probably not unreasonable for people to feel that their personal risk equation does not warrant taking even the very tiny risks of vaccination.

It's a stalemate, and the governments collectively need to "go first" and give people a glimpse of what they will miss out on if they don't get vaccinated to get things moving again and overcome vaccine hesitancy. People just need some sort of sweetener (or even carrot and stick) to get them motivated again.

I am 100% not an anit-vaxxer, and I was very willing to get the shots, but now, not so much. However, my friend's son, who lives in the UK and will be fully immunised, looks like coming back in October for a family occasion, and she has asked me to get vaccinated so that I am not at risk from contact with them both. Also, my first interstate client has enquired for work from September, after cancelling last year's entire program. These two events make me lean more towards getting the shot when I am eligible (2A), because they change my personal risk assessment. However, if I am immunised but still get caught up in a lockdown on the interstate work travel, I will be furious, as the extra accommodation costs will consume my profit from the work and therefore the whole trip would be financially unviable. These are the sorts of things the government(s) could be doing a lot more to address.

Most on AFF are different from the public at large who generally support lockdowns, and who also probably do not view the vaccine as that important at present.

My perception from the general non frequent travellers that I interact with is that ones more keen on getting vaccinated tend to be people who are fearful of CV19, and at present the fearful are becoming less and less.
 
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Did I miss something? Has this been on the cards for a while? I was aware of Avalon but not Mickelham
 
And 60% do so its better than what is currently being mouthed. And possibly some kind of agreement for safe interstate travel without all these lockdowns.
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That isn't enough for younger people. Vulnerable ones yes. Healthy ones? They have no skin in the game.
I really wish they would make entertainment venues for vaccinated people only once everyone has been offered a vaccine. Say starting Dec 2021. That would motivate the young people. If they can't go to pubs and concerts, they will get the jab. Maybe workplaces too.
 
BionTech bought the Novartis site in Sep 2020. EMA only gave Marburg approval 26th of last month; I don't think final batch is ready for distribution just yet. That's a little more than the 3-4 months you keep saying. The Pfizer investment in BioTech was around March 2020, so they've had a long run at this.
Previously posted that financial close was met in December 2020, & only then was access granted for switching to production of mRNA vaccine.

First approved doses in late March 2021, that is in less than 4 months since access was granted.
This also from Archa Fox, who you selectively quote;
'The second option is to to set up production of mRNA vaccines here, potentially led by a biotech firm with approval to make clinical-grade therapeutics. As a rough estimate, we calculate it could cost as little as A$100 million to make sufficient vaccine domestically. But it will mean a significant lag time, perhaps 12 months, to set up the infrastructure and train staff.'
As has been written many times by the numerous research groups currently active in Australia on mRNA - there are many extremely qualified mRNA people available currently. The actual process is very simple which is why it is so high speed compared with the AZ or J&J technique.
Let's hope not! There is enough speculative and selectively quoted misinformation from journalists!! Not everything is a conspiracy.
Why is it that it is only the people who seek to deflect that decide to try & cloud the issue by suggesting others are calling things 'conspiracies'.

Factual information is just that. It is not in CSL's interests for a competitor to commence mRNA production in Australia nor the monopoly pricing it receives for the flu vaccine in Australia.
 
Perhaps the Govt needs to fund a day off on sick leave once the vaccination is done in case people are concerned about losing time off work from side effects.
 
Perhaps the Govt needs to fund a day off on sick leave once the vaccination is done in case people are concerned about losing time off work from side effects.
That sounds a lot like what’s happening in the US. This is the kind of policy that could be considered later in the rollout. Once everyone in 2B can get the vaccine if the numbers are still too low then that would be the time incentives would be likely to come in.
 
Why is it that it is only the people who seek to deflect that decide to try & cloud the issue by suggesting others are calling things 'conspiracies'.

Factual information is just that. It is not in CSL's interests for a competitor to commence mRNA production in Australia nor the monopoly pricing it receives for the flu vaccine in Australia.
Or deflect by claiming deflection in others. I still dispute many of your "facts".

Can you show me where CSL Behring owns Behringwerke at Marbig, which you claim?

You can try and be tricky with dates, but Novartis facility was bought in Sep 2020 and distribution (not "approved doses") was this month. That's twice as long as you were stating as fact, by the originator, who was already producing.

What do you mean monopoly pricing, when other multi-nationals are present in the flu vaccine market in Australia?

"Factual information" and selective quoting is often used to create a false narrative, that's why I'll call it out.
 
Sounding like Mickleham will get the nod. MEL didn’t want to be any part of it but Dan’s mate wouldn’t be too chuffed at AVV missing out on the gig
I wonder how many people will be able to arrive at this facility a week? If VIC is to be any serious chance of getting their way with bringing in international students they'll need to find a way to bring in at least as many Australians a week as NSW does now one would think. This would likely mean a combination of the new facility for higher risk countries and hotel quarantine continuing for those coming from lower risk countries and perhaps even home quarantine for the lowest risk countries for vaccinated travellers where quarantine is still seen as a necessary precaution.
 
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That just posed a thought in my mind, whether the NSW Premier / CHO might be brave enough to allow some home quarantine now/soon (in defiance of National Cabinet?!?!). As the States run the health rules related to quarantine, the ball is in each State Premier's /CHO's hands.
 
That just posed a thought in my mind, whether the NSW Premier / CHO might be brave enough to allow some home quarantine now/soon (in defiance of National Cabinet?!?!). As the States run the health rules related to quarantine, the ball is in each State Premier's /CHO's hands.
The Feds would have to agree to that for that to work. The states are running quarantine, but the Feds control who can and cannot come into the country. If an airline defies flight caps the Feds could fine them heavily.

I can’t see even NSW approving home quarantine for some months yet.
 
The Feds would have to agree to that for that to work. The states are running quarantine, but the Feds control who can and cannot come into the country. If an airline defies flight caps the Feds could fine them heavily.

I can’t see even NSW approving home quarantine for some months yet.
Well sort of no. NSW could just say we are allowing a certain cap and then identify in that cap who goes home quarantine and who goes to hotel quarantine.

I think its unlikely to happen, but may be a nuclear option down the track
 
For some, home quarantine would be equal to no quarantine.

I really wish they would make entertainment venues for vaccinated people only once everyone has been offered a vaccine. Say starting Dec 2021. That would motivate the young people. If they can't go to pubs and concerts, they will get the jab. Maybe workplaces too.

I agree in principle, but I think you’ll have to move the date by a couple of years.
 

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